Talk:Representative peer

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I will suggest that after Union with Ireland, there existed a Lord Chancellor of the United Kingdom, and a Lord Chancellor of Ireland, but no Lord Chancellor of Great Britain, whose office was terminated upon Union. I cite, for instance, as my authority, the Articles of Union: "whenever the Seat of any of the twenty eight Lords Temporal so elected shall be vacated by Decease or Forfeiture, the Chancellor, the Keeper or Commissioners of the Great Seal of the United Kingdom ... shall direct a Writ to be issued under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom, to the Chancellor, the Keeper or Commissioners of the Great Seal of Ireland for the time being..." -- Lord Emsworth 22:53, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)

I think "of the United Kingdom" is describing the Great Seal only, and that the Chancellor remains "of Great Britain". For instance:

"ORDERS APPROVED AT THE COUNCIL HELD BY THE QUEEN AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE ON THURSDAY 12 JUNE 2003

Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain

Order recording that the Rt Hon Charles Leslie, Baron Falconer of Thoroton QC was sworn Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain."

Proteus 00:32 GMT, 20th January 2004

Yes, I've never heard the term Lord Chancellor of the United Kingdom. Is there currently a Lord Chancellor of Northern Ireland? john 00:44, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I don't think that there is "Lord Chancellor" of NI, but there seems to be, under the Anglo-Irish Treaty, a successor to the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, but whom exactly this may be I do not know. As far as the Chancellor of the UK is concerned, the term is, as I have found by searching, incorrect, but I had always held the view that it was correct, considering that it is the only one I had heard heretofore (Google gives 46 hits for "Lord Chancellor of the United Kingdom" and 306 for "Lord Chancellor of Great Britain".) Furthermore the Articles seem to have ambiguous wording. -- Lord Emsworth 03:32, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)

It would appear that the Lord Chancellor of Ireland was succeeded by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland [1]:

Present, The Queen's Most Excellent Majesty in Council

Her Majesty, having been this day pleased by Her Royal Proclamation to dissolve the present Parliament and to declare the calling of another, is hereby further pleased, by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, to order that the Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland do respectively, upon notice of this Her Majesty's Order, forthwith cause Writs to be issued in due form and according to Law for the calling of a new Parliament, to meet at the City of Westminster on Wednesday, the 7th day of May 1997; which Writs are to be returnable in due course of Law.

N H Nicholls

-- Lord Emsworth 01:14, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC)

Various comments on the article

While I find this to be an excellent article, I nonetheless have a few comments, but don't feel comfortable addressing them myself without degrading the overall quality of the currently very coherent article:

The article cites "Burke's Peerage" without explaining what it is. Is this a standard reference work of some sort? A general reader may not be familiar with it. If it's a book, perhaps it should also be italicized.
The end section sounds a little bit non-neutral: we seem to be saying that at least some of the decisions of the Law Lords were wrong, and furthermore that Burke's Peerage is wrong on at least one point, and taking these positions ourselves rather than reporting on others who take these positions ("cannot be said to be wholly convincing" is rather non-neutral, for example).

--Delirium 19:25, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)

Burke's and Debrett's are the standard reference works on the peerage (also Complete Peerage, but that's not been updated since the first half of the century, at latest, I believe). Likely, articles are needed on these works. As to the second, Lord Emsworth seems to have taken care of it. john 02:07, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Would it be useful to have a list of the Scottish and Irish Representative Peers? 'Cos I've got one. - Dbiv 21:05, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Most definitely, it would be useful. I think it could be put on a separate page, so as not to cause clutter. Is the list on the internet, un"wikified," or is it properly formatted? -- Emsworth 23:25, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)

It's not on the net but it is on computer and can be wikified. PS how is the Empress? Dbiv 23:58, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Unhappy since she does not have an article of her own. -- Emsworth 01:09, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)

The List of Irish Representative Peers is now up. Dbiv 10:16, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The List of Scottish representative peers is also now in place.--George Burgess 17:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've just moved the content of "representative peer" to "Peers and Parliament" so that a single article can contain information on which peers did and did not sit in the House of Lords. -- Emsworth 23:48, May 9, 2004 (UTC)

Should the current type of representative peer come first?

Just wondering: Should the current type of representative peer -- that is, those heredetary peers who have been elected by the House of Lords to sit -- be the primary definition for this article, since the other type -- Scottish and Irish peers elected to sit -- are now of historical interest only? --Jfruh (talk) 12:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree with that, yes. —Nightst a llion (?) 22:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bravo!

Nice work, a truly fine article! Howard Cleeves 13:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish peers 1711-1782

I know that British peerages were not considered to give Scottish peers the right to sit in the Lords until 1782, as the article states. What about English peerages? The Duke of Richmond was also Duke of Lennox in the peerage of Scotland, and certainly continued to sit in the House of Lords after 1711, despite being a Scottish peer. Were English peerages generally considered to confer that right? What does that mean about the Duke of Buccleuch, who was restored as Earl of Doncaster in 1743? john k (talk) 14:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citation situation

Hi. I've added about a dozen citation needed tags where citations are needed to come sufficiently close to requirement 2C. It would be appropriate in my opinion to go to FACR if these are not covered soon. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Colonial Peers

Could colonial peers sit in the House of Lords? there were some from Canada for instance (including not just recently created titles but French holdovers like the Baron de Longueuil) if so was there any special provision for them as existed in Ireland and Scotland? Hawjam (talk) 00:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)Hawjam[reply]

No. 14:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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subsets?

Were RPs elected from/by all Scottish/Irish peers, or only those who did not also hold a peerage of England or GB or UK?

Note that this is two distinct but similar questions: did all vote, and were all eligible? —Tamfang (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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whose presence?

The Lord Clerk Register would read out the Peerage Roll as indicates his presence when called.

Needs rewriting. I suppose it means that as the Lord Clerk Register called each lord's name that lord would announce his presence; but it could mean that the records imply the presence of the Lord Clerk Register. —Tamfang (talk) 03:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]