Talk:Evander Holyfield

Photo copyright?

I can't find any documentation that the photo of Holyfield vs. Savarese is indeed a CC file. The photographer is credited, but does not appear to be the person who uploaded it. --Rhymworm (talk) 20:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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Article says Holyfield won several championships, "Earning him the nickname 'Real Deal'." This is incorrect.  He adopted the 'Real Deal' nickname very early in his career, long before winning any championships. See e.g.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WI7JlMLhFY, ring announcer introduces him in his 7th fight as "Real Deal". There may be even earlier instances.

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Hmm.. I'll be doing my own research later tonight, but I came here from the Mike Tyson page because it clearly talks about multiple headbutts Holyfield delivered to Tyson "accidentally" through the fight, from which he suffered no penalties (which makes Tyson biting his ear(s) seem oddly reasonable, since it was only an "accident", after all, hah!).. If these headbutts are indeed a part of history then I feel it needs to be listed here, for Wikipedia's good name and historical accuracy both.. Again, I'm unclear on the subject since I'm reading Tyson's page as a result of him starting an animated series on Adult Swim, no boxing fan here, but I was shocked to find out that Tyson's seemingly random ear-attack may have had a very serious meaning behind it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.242.211.149 (talk) 05:08, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Since this article is locked, I cannot make an edit. So instead, I am submitting a request. In the "Present" section, the second-to-last sentence states,

"However, In June 2014, after not fighting in over three years, Holyfield announced that his final retirement."

This sentence is a fragment and the words don't make perfect sense, although it is perfectly clear what is intended. Would someone be willing to fix the sentence so that the intended meaning is represented more clearly? Thank you. 67.186.207.83 (talk) 04:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Bankruptcy

Evander Holyfield squandered his £350 million lifetime earnings before his 49th birthday.

Source - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/boxing-holyfields-life-goes-under-the-hammer-8210385.html

Please add this information to the article.

 Done, albeit without the loaded term "squander". Also did a bit of rearranging in the "outside the ring" section. The section could probably benefit from further reorganizing as it is pretty vague in scope as it currently is. TimothyJosephWood 15:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017

218.189.209.140 (talk) 03:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done: Blank request. —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2018

Article incorrectly states Holyfield's height as 6 ft 2 and ½ inches, and his reach as 78 inches. In his pro debut, he was listed as 6 ft 1 and ¼ inches tall, with a reach of 75 and ¾ inches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb4Wn78CIuc). he was also listed as 6 ft 1 and ¼ inches tall on this website (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Evander-Holyfield-4506.html). v=fb4Wn78CIuc Boxing-related (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done – HBO listed Holyfield's height as 6ft 2½in, and reach as 77½in, for the Lennox Lewis rematch. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

This is why people don't respect wikipedia mods.

In professional wrestlers' pages there's at least a clearly indicated field for "Billed Height", indicating an acknowledgement that advertisements can lie.

Think for yourself, for one second, what's more likely to lie: HBO with a higher measurement, or an official professional boxing introduction with a lower measurement?

So worthless. --2001:4878:8000:50:DA9E:F3FF:FE2A:2191 (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Amateur career

Can I get access to the article, so I could add there "Amateur career" chapter, the same I did here and there Wladimir_Klitschko#Amateur_career, Mark_Breland#Amateur_career, Riddick_Bowe#Amateur_boxing_career, Lennox_Lewis#Amateur_career. At least for a day or two. I promise not to interfere to any other chapter, I'm not interested, all I want to do is to add people amateur boxing careers. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

No, you can’t. Honestly, I hope you’re banned for your agenda-driven editing. Clearly not to build an encyclopedia here. There’s currently a discussion regarding his behavior here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumswick55 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Honestly and truthfully, I don't see any agenda-driven editing in adding amateur career listings or professional boxing records. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

The fellow user:Gumswick55 was blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry. If anyone concerned would decide that I am good enough to contribute to this article adding "Amateur career" chapter, please notify me on my talkpage. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 16:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2019

Add AGE column to the "Professional boxing record" section between DATE and LOCATION. Keteague (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

My apologies for not being clear the first time.

Change the table in section 4 (Professional boxing record) to include a "AGE" column between the DATE column and LOCATION column. This is to indicate the age of the boxer at the time of the fight and can be calculated by his birthday and the date of the fight.

An example can be seen on George Foreman's page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman#Professional_boxing_record

Here's an edit from the current source of what I'm asking for:

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==Professional boxing record== 57 fights 44 wins 10 losses By knockout 29 2 By decision 14 8 By disqualification 1 0 Draws 2 No contests 1 No. Result Record Opponent Type Round, time Date Age Location Notes 57 Win 44–10–2 (1) Brian Nielsen TKO 10 (12), 2:49 May 5, 2011 48 years, 198 days Koncerthuset, Copenhagen, Denmark 56 NC 43–10–2 (1) Sherman Williams NC 3 (12), 3:00 Jan 22, 2011 48 years, 95 days The Greenbrier, White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, U.S. Retained WBF (Federation) heavyweight title; NC after Holyfield was cut from an accidental head clash 55 Win 43–10–2 Francois Botha TKO 8 (12), 0:55 Apr 10, 2010 47 years, 173 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won vacant WBF (Federation) heavyweight title 54 Loss 42–10–2 Nikolai Valuev MD 12 Dec 20, 2008 46 years, 62 days Hallenstadion, Zürich, Switzerland For WBA heavyweight title 53 Loss 42–9–2 Sultan Ibragimov UD 12 Oct 13, 2007 44 years, 359 days Khodynka Arena, Moscow, Russia For WBO heavyweight title 52 Win 42–8–2 Lou Savarese UD 10 Jun 30, 2007 44 years, 254 days Don Haskins Center, El Paso, Texas, U.S. 51 Win 41–8–2 Vinny Maddalone TKO 3 (10), 2:48 Mar 17, 2007 44 years, 149 days American Bank Center, Corpus Christi, Texas, U.S. 50 Win 40–8–2 Fres Oquendo UD 12 Nov 10, 2006 44 years, 22 days Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas, U.S. Won vacant USBA heavyweight title 49 Win 39–8–2 Jeremy Bates TKO 2 (12), 2:56 Aug 18, 2006 43 years, 303 days American Airlines Center, Dallas, Texas, U.S. 48 Loss 38–8–2 Larry Donald UD 12 Nov 13, 2004 42 years, 25 days Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S. For vacant NABC heavyweight title 47 Loss 38–7–2 James Toney TKO 9 (12), 1:42 Oct 4, 2003 40 years, 350 days Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. 46 Loss 38–6–2 Chris Byrd UD 12 Dec 14, 2002 40 years, 56 days Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. For vacant IBF heavyweight title 45 Win 38–5–2 Hasim Rahman TD 8 (12), 1:40 Jun 1, 2002 39 years, 225 days Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Split TD after Rahman sustained eye swelling from an accidental head clash 44 Draw 37–5–2 John Ruiz SD 12 Dec 15, 2001 39 years, 57 days Foxwoods Resort Casino, Ledyard, Connecticut, U.S. For WBA heavyweight title 43 Loss 37–5–1 John Ruiz UD 12 Mar 3, 2001 38 years, 135 days Mandalay Bay Events Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Lost WBA heavyweight title 42 Win 37–4–1 John Ruiz UD 12 Aug 12, 2000 37 years, 298 days Paris Las Vegas, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won vacant WBA heavyweight title 41 Loss 36–4–1 Lennox Lewis UD 12 Nov 13, 1999 37 years, 25 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Lost WBA and IBF heavyweight titles; For WBC, lineal, and vacant IBO heavyweight titles 40 Draw 36–3–1 Lennox Lewis SD 12 Mar 13, 1999 36 years, 145 days Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S. Retained WBA and IBF heavyweight titles; For WBC and lineal heavyweight titles 39 Win 36–3 Vaughn Bean UD 12 Sep 19, 1998 35 years, 335 days Georgia Dome, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. Retained WBA and IBF heavyweight titles 38 Win 35–3 Michael Moorer RTD 8 (12), 3:00 Nov 8, 1997 35 years, 20 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA heavyweight title; Won IBF heavyweight title 37 Win 34–3 Mike Tyson DQ 3 (12), 3:00 Jun 28, 1997 34 years, 252 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA heavyweight title; Tyson disqualified for biting 36 Win 33–3 Mike Tyson TKO 11 (12), 0:37 Nov 9, 1996 34 years, 21 days MGM Grand Garden Arena, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBA heavyweight title 35 Win 32–3 Bobby Czyz RTD 5 (10), 3:00 May 10, 1996 33 years, 204 days Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S. 34 Loss 31–3 Riddick Bowe TKO 8 (12), 0:58 Nov 4, 1995 33 years, 16 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. 33 Win 31–2 Ray Mercer UD 10 May 20, 1995 32 years, 213 days Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. 32 Loss 30–2 Michael Moorer MD 12 Apr 22, 1994 31 years, 185 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Lost WBA, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 31 Win 30–1 Riddick Bowe MD 12 Nov 6, 1993 31 years, 18 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBA, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 30 Win 29–1 Alex Stewart UD 12 Jun 26, 1993 30 years, 250 days Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. 29 Loss 28–1 Riddick Bowe UD 12 Nov 13, 1992 30 years, 25 days Thomas & Mack Center, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Lost WBA, WBC, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 28 Win 28–0 Larry Holmes UD 12 Jun 19, 1992 29 years, 244 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA, WBC, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 27 Win 27–0 Bert Cooper TKO 7 (12), 2:58 Nov 23, 1991 29 years, 35 days Omni Coliseum, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. Retained WBA, WBC, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 26 Win 26–0 George Foreman UD 12 Apr 19, 1991 28 years, 182 days Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBA, WBC, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 25 Win 25–0 Buster Douglas KO 3 (12), 1:10 Oct 25, 1990 28 years, 6 days The Mirage, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBA, WBC, IBF, and lineal heavyweight titles 24 Win 24–0 Seamus McDonagh TKO 4 (12), 0:44 Jun 1, 1990 27 years, 225 days Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title 23 Win 23–0 Alex Stewart TKO 8 (12), 2:51 Nov 4, 1989 27 years, 16 days Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title 22 Win 22–0 Adílson Rodrigues KO 2 (12), 1:29 Jul 15, 1989 26 years, 269 days Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title 21 Win 21–0 Michael Dokes TKO 10 (12), 1:41 Mar 11, 1989 26 years, 143 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Won WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title 20 Win 20–0 Pinklon Thomas RTD 7 (10), 3:00 Dec 9, 1988 26 years, 51 days Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. 19 Win 19–0 James Tillis RTD 5 (10), 3:00 Jul 15, 1988 25 years, 270 days Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, U.S. 18 Win 18–0 Carlos de León TKO 8 (12), 1:08 Apr 9, 1988 25 years, 173 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles; Won WBC and lineal cruiserweight titles 17 Win 17–0 Dwight Muhammad Qawi KO 4 (15), 2:30 Dec 5, 1987 25 years, 47 days Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles 16 Win 16–0 Ossie Ocasio TKO 11 (15), 1:24 Aug 15, 1987 24 years, 300 days Parking de Nouveau Port, Saint-Tropez, France Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles 15 Win 15–0 Ricky Parkey TKO 3 (15), 2:44 May 15, 1987 24 years, 208 days Caesars Palace, Paradise, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA cruiserweight title; Won IBF cruiserweight title 14 Win 14–0 Henry Tillman TKO 7 (15), 1:43 Feb 14, 1987 24 years, 118 days Bally's, Reno, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBA cruiserweight title 13 Win 13–0 Mike Brothers TKO 3 (10) Dec 8, 1986 24 years, 50 days Paris, France 12 Win 12–0 Dwight Muhammad Qawi SD 15 Jul 12, 1986 23 years, 266 days Omni Coliseum, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. Won WBA cruiserweight title 11 Win 11–0 Terry Mims KO 5 (10), 1:12 May 28, 1986 23 years, 221 days Metairie, Louisiana, U.S. 10 Win 10–0 Jesse Shelby KO 3 (10) Apr 6, 1986 23 years, 169 days Corpus Christi, Texas, U.S. 9 Win 9–0 Chisanda Mutti TKO 3 (10), 1:37 Mar 1, 1986 23 years, 133 days Host Resort, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, U.S. 8 Win 8–0 Anthony Davis TKO 4 (10), 1:31 Dec 21, 1985 23 years, 63 days Pavilion Convention Center, Virginia Beach, Virginia, U.S. 7 Win 7–0 Jeff Meachem TKO 5 (8), 1:02 Oct 30, 1985 23 years, 11 days Broadway by the Bay Theater, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. 6 Win 6–0 Rick Myers TKO 1 (8), 3:00 Aug 29, 1985 22 years, 314 days Omni Coliseum, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. 5 Win 5–0 Tyrone Booze UD 8 Jul 20, 1985 22 years, 274 days Scope, Norfolk, Virginia, U.S. 4 Win 4–0 Mark Rivera TKO 2 (8), 2:46 Apr 20, 1985 22 years, 183 days Memorial Coliseum, Corpus Christi, Texas, U.S. 3 Win 3–0 Fred Brown TKO 1 (6), 1:56 Mar 13, 1985 22 years, 145 days Scope, Norfolk, Virginia, U.S. 2 Win 2–0 Eric Winbush UD 6 Jan 20, 1985 22 years, 93 days Broadway by the Bay Theater, Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. 1 Win 1–0 Lionel Byarm UD 6 Nov 15, 1984 22 years, 27 days Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, U.S.

 Doing... --Nemoschool (talk to me) 00:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Nemoschool (talk to me) 00:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

High school

Can you reflect what high school he attended? --2604:2000:E010:1100:BCFD:3A9A:91DC:D9AB (talk) 07:59, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2021

When Evander Holyfield was knocked into the ropes against Bert Cooper it was correctly ruled a knockdown by referee Mills Lane and not a standing eight count. If you only the ropes are holding a fighter up as the result of a punch it is indeed a knockdown. The standing eight count does not normally exist in a title fight. The mandatory eight count is indeed in effect where the referee always clearly counts to eight after a knockdown. A standing eight count, which is prominent in the amateurs, allows the referee to properly access the condition of a hurt fighter without the fighter actually going down but, as is noted above, being knocked into the ropes by a punch is a legal.knockdown and the highly experienced Mills Lane knew this. Please correct this as to say that Bert Cooper scored a legitimate knockdown against Evander Holyfield. He deserves the credit. 68.193.46.254 (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Please provide sourcing for this, as well as the exact text you'd like to add, remove or change. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2022

It should be noted Evander Holyfield defeated Frez Oquendo in 2006 to become USBA United States Boxing Federation Regional Heavy Weight Champion. It should be corrected... Evander Holyfield is not a 4 time heavy weight champion he is a 5 time Heavyweight champion of the world by way of winning a "version" of the world heavy weight championship 5 times. Evander Holyfield won the WBF World Boxing Federation Heavyweight championship in 2010 vs Franz Botha to become a 5 time Heavyweight champion and he defended the title twice vs Sherman Williams and Brian Nielsen before Retiring in 2011 as the Oldest Heavy Weight Champion ever at 48 years of age and is not a 3 decade champion but in fact Evander Holyfield is the only 4 decade champion of the world 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s... This information is 100% true facts and can been looked up for verification online including Wikipedia under Evander Holyfield boxing record which shows all his fights in chronological order including the dates times and outcomes. 146.115.248.187 (talk) 06:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

His fight with Oquendo is mentioned in the prose and the record table. As for your other points; we go by what WP:Reliable sources say, and reliable sources tend to ignore the WBF when talking about world title reigns. Why, you might ask? Because the WBF are one of the most insignificant organisations in boxing. – ².O.^Boxing 08:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

All of these "X-Time Champ" labels depend upon how one interprets (1) weight classes and (2) legitimate accreditation and, maybe, (3) the record. Maybe. What I think that we need is a comprehensive page-article on "Alphabet Soup (boxing)" that has sufficient space to discuss such concepts as "lineal super-middleweight emeritus champion" and sort out which of WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO and all of the xBy versions are noteworthy. Every such claim should footnote and/or link there. WHPratt (talk) 05:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

"Alphabet Soup (boxing)"—what a great idea for an article! I have no doubt it could get off the ground because the whole concept has long been in public consciousness. "Boxing has so many champions", etc. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:39, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Glad you like the idea. I'll look forward to contributing. WHPratt (talk) 06:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

"You get this straight: there're only eight champions. Everybody else are also-rans." — Keenan Wynn in Requiem for a Heavyweight, A 1956 TV drama by Rod Serling

"You get this straight: there're only forty-two (WBA/WBC/IBF) champions, including junior divisions, unless you count cruisers, super-middies, strawweights and pound-for-pound, in which case there're only fifty-four champions, unless you count the WBO, the WBU and the IBC or IBA or IBO (whichever it is), there're only a hundred and eight champions, and, oh yeah, the linear and national and commonwealth titles, and, ... sorry, what-the-hell point was I trying to make?" — Requiem for a WBO Light Bantamweight, A modern re-write.
WHPratt (talk) 04:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC) ;)

three decade champion

In the sixth paragraph it states that Evander Holyfield is the first boxer to hold world titles in three different decades (80's, 90's 2000's), this is incorrect. Robert Duran achieved this record before Holyfield (in the 70's, 80's, 90's), having vacated the WBC World Middleweight Title in early January 1990. DomusBellum78 (talk) 21:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

In which case, probably better to re-word it to "win world titles in three different decades". Then the original premise would be true. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC)