Talk:Islamic view of the Last Judgment

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Judgement

"This is similar to some Protestant theologies that state that salvation is by the grace of God, and not by deeds. Islam, however, emphasizes that grace does not conflict with perfect justice." The overall article is VERY insightful. However, as a Catholic and amateur apologist, I have to point out that the above passage is not quite correct. Grace is generally defined as an undeserved gift, given to the sinful as well as to the righteous. This is the view that most Orthodox and Protestant denominations hold - there is some difference among evangelical, fundamentalist, and dispensationalist elements of Christianity. This concept of grace does not match well with the preceeding paragraph, "mercy and forgiveness will be granted on that day insofar as it is merited". I appreciate the attempt at comparison, but perhaps it would be more accurate to leave the comparison out.Thaddeus Ryan 21:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Odd passage

"We asked,'O Messenger of Allah, how quickly will he walk upon the earth?' He said,'Like a cloud driven by the wind. He will come to the people and call them (to a false religion), and they will believe in him and respond to him. He will issue a command to the sky, and it will rain; and to the earth, and it will produce crops. After grazing on these crops, their animals will return with their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. Then he will come to another people and will call them (to a false religion), but they will reject his call. He will depart from them; they will suffer famine and will possess nothing in the form of wealth. Then he will pass through the wasteland and will say, "Bring forth your treasures", and the treasures will come forth, like swarms of bees. Then he will call a man brimming with youth; he will strike him with a sword and cut him in two, then place the two pieces at the distance between an archer and his target. Then he will call him, and the young man will come running and laughing."

This seems to indicate that ad-Dajjal will perform miracles...It is also odd that the description of the treasure is said to come forth like a "swarm of bees" - I guess the choice of diction reflects the negative view of materialist wealth. What is truly perplexing is the man being cut in half and then "running and laughing." Any thoughts? [Source] freestylefrappe 02:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

From Amro

The Anti-christ, both in the Christian and Islamic view, will perform miracles in order to fool people and make them follow him. You can read more info on www.harunyahya.com Unsigned comment by 128.97.84.243

introduction

I removed several Qur'anic references because it bogs down the introduction. These kinds of references are not commonly placed here and it seemed like it needed cleanup. Maybe in one of the sections a number of sources could be mentioned. Cuñado - Talk 22:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article Move

Shouldn't this article be at Qiyâmah? That would be the correct transliteration, no? ɱўɭĩє ^{What did I do}_wrong 20:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you all...

Could editors here take a look at Last Judgment. I just undid some IP edits that completely removed the Islamic view from that article - obviously wrong to do so. However, I see an older concern on the talk page by a different IP editor that the content of the Islamic section is both wrong and relying on sources that are not reliable. That is an issue that I don't consider myself competent to correct - though I'd say unsourced instead of relying on poor sources. Since this is considered the main article for that section, I'd think you all would be able to attend to it. GRBerry 23:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Qiyamah, not Qayaamah

Someone has replaced the entire page with "qayaamah" instead of the correct qiyamah. This is going to be annoying to undo, does anyone have a reason for it? ناهد^𒀭(^dAnāhita) ^𒅴 16:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Spelling of 'Qiya(a)mah' and general editing

I'm curious why you say the vowel should be short. It's long in Arabic, so shouldn't it be transliterated with either two vowels or with a macron over the 'a'?

Also, I'm going to do some cleaning up of the grammar and sentence structure in this article over the next few days, but leaving the content (I certainly don't know enough to change it). Anyone please feel free to chip in! Suomichris —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Common Cold

"5)The Smoke: Smoke will appear all over the earth that will cause believers to catch something similar to the common cold, whereas disbelivers will be hit harder by it. Finally, a cool wind will cause all the believers to die. This all the unbelievers left on earth to experience the last hour of the day of judgment."

I am disputing this statement. This is the first I heard of it and I believe it is a perversion of the sign that says: "A warm wind will blow from Syria which would kill all the believers."

Whoever wrote this does not know what he is talking about, does not provide citation and furthermore does not know how to spell (note "disbelivers"[sic])

Adamaix (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the double post, I did some research based on accepted and established sources, and came across this:^{Sahih Muslim 039.6720}. This hadith appears to be an explanation of a quote from the Quran.

"So wait for the day when the heaven brings a clear smoke enveloping people. This is a grievous torment on the day when We seize them with the most violent seizing; surely, We shall exact retribution." ^{Quran 041.011}.

The explanation given of the above Quranic verse by the companion was as follows: "He says that a smoke would come to the people on the Day of Resurrection and it will withhold breath and they would be inflicted with cold.". Adamaix (talk) 17:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Major citation issues

Pretty much everything past the etymology section is improper synthesis of primary material. There are few to no proper citations throughout the whole rest of the article. This is all the more troubling, considering the article has grown so large on almost no source material. I'm going to be doing some major tagging over the next couple weeks, and probably some extensive deletion of unsourced material and synthesis. Does anyone have any input on this? Peter Deer (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Qiyamah and Qayāmat

Is meaning of these two words Qiyamah and Qayāmat is one and the same? If yes, then Qayāmat should be redirected to this article. Thanks! Rāmā (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem so. Peter Deer (talk) 02:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Revert reasoning

This article is just becoming a list of Arabic citations from the Koran. The article is constantly being written in a near scientific manner, as if to suggest that the events were confirmed fact. I propose that sentences such as "The apple will be sold" be written in a fashion similar to "It is believed that the apple will be sold", et cetera. --Île flottante (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Adding references from the quran

I suggest that the list of references be started from the quran as the primary text reference for the islamic view, continued with references from hadith as the classical muslim view and then finally references from individual scholars. I was adding references form the quran as a first step because they form the anchor of the views of scholars and other sources.

Kashkhan (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, however references should be given using a <ref> </ref> tag, not by copying the entire verse into the article. Were it not the case, each article on Islam would contain the majority of the Koran. --Île flottante (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reference text has to be summarized/paraphrased to build up the article. If the text is not too diffuse, it's sometimes easier to use a quote directly, rather than create new passages that include personal interpretations. Kashkhan (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also disconcur with the formation of the sentences describing the supposed events of the "last judgement". There're given in a manner as if they're absolute, undisputed facts. I propose the phrases such as "muslims believe" be used more. --Île flottante (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The overall article is the "islamic view", which is by its nature subjective. You will either quote views from the quran, which many muslims will say is god's opinion and others that is muhammad's opinion, or from books and sayings by other authors, which will be their opinion. Nothing here can be objective, since it is about the opinion of a community.

Where people's beliefs are referenced I agree that it should be clearly stated. What the quran has written in it can be checked by anyone, and whether any muslims believe whether it is in the quran or not is irrelevant. It like saying 'shakespeare scholars believe that the Hamlet has the passage "to be or not to be, that is the question"'. It's much easier to say that it's in Hamlet without invoking anyone's belief, since we are reasonably certain about what is in Hamlet and what isn't.Kashkhan (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, an islaminc view can still be given in an objective manner, by using phrases such as "Muslims believe that...". I continue to disconur with long citations from the Koran being given, a copy of each religion's holy book should not be detractable from each article referencing to said religion. I would also propose that Arabic be used as little as possible in the article, it serves no purpose. --Île flottante (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Muslims in the Quran

Although in Hud it says those who are Non-Muslims will go to hell, but it says those who do not believe in the Book of Moses will go to Hell. Does that mean that Jews and Christian still could go to Heaven? It also says at 2:62 in the Quran that any person of any religion who believes in God and the Day of Judgment will have their reward. Does this mean that they do not go to Hell? If so, it would mean that any person who believes in God ,Day of Judgment and does good work will earn their place in Heaven. Since there is this ambiguity, the rule "Non-Muslims will go to Hell" could/should be deleted. I have to say, however, this article in need of an expert. Please help! Legend II (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK

I'm still not nuts about the overall quality of this article....it REEEEAAAAALLLLLY needs an expert in the field to work it over right and proper-like. Copy-editing done, though.

the paragraph "Qur'an.. the Last line

not even a verse in the whole Qur'an Say "Non-Muslims will go to hell forever" in the ref.18 sura 11 Hud verse 17 speaks about those who didn't believe in Moses after they witness the miracles this religious fact is not only Islamic the whole heaven religions says that the Qur'an say the opposite of that.. please review the the Sura 2 Albaqara verse 62 thank you for not being fooled... Islam and other religions are from the same source please correct that fact

Possible Interpretation problems

It states in the article: "The people will believe that a short time has passed between their birth and death.[12]" when I check out the referenced Quran 10:45 it seems to me more like this is when the person is raised from the dead and the body is resurrected at judgment, they will feel as if not even a day has passed since they were dead, which makes sense because if you are unconscious time flies by fast right, as you can't observe time passing. I don't think it means from birth to death as expressed in the article. I could be wrong, I'm only just learning about Islam. 50.47.102.200 (talk) 02:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seven or eight major signs?

The article reads "The major signs are the seven which are thought to occur closer to the supposed day of judgement." but then, eight signs are listed. ChaTo (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]