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This article needs some fact checking, it has a lot of issues. MordeKyle (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please be specific. I suspect your comments are about the Daisy Coleman case. Americasroof (talk) 12:34, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Orphaned references in Maryville, Missouri

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Maryville, Missouri's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "auto":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Objection to name redaction

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An editor, 99.196.101.241, posted this on my talk page, I'm moving here to be more public. Herostratus (talk) 02:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with your edit to the Maryville, MO page, in the section about Daisy Coleman, “the 2012 rape allegations.”

You deleted the name of one of the confessed perpetrators. Also, his two accomplices/perpetrators/friends!!

You name the victim, Daisy Coleman and her mother!! She has her own page.

You should name [redacted]. His crimes are noted in his politician grandfather’s page!! Rex Barnett.

If you’re naming the victim and her family, you should name the accused!!

Please fix this offensive and perverse cover-up which this town facilitated for privileged rapists, and tormented and terrorized victims. 99.196.101.241 (talk) 19:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does it help the reader understand the entity "Marville, Missouri" better to know the particular names of persons involved in crimes that happened there? Not in my book. Remember, the Wikipedia is a very large and globally much-read and much-linked publication with a long reach across space and time. For obscure people we are likely to the be at or near the top of search results -- we create their public face, for the world, and (we hope) for centuries to come. The people who we are talking about are hapless individual private persons We are punching down, way way down, when we write bad things about them, and they have no recourse really but to kneel and take it.
Maybe some people deserve it. Whatever our own personal thoughts, for the purposes of our work here, we don't have an opinion and the Wikipedia doesn't have an opinion on who deserves what. We are here to inform the reader of things she needs to know, while trying to be nice people also, and balancing those things. It's really in the hands of Gurzil, the bull-headed warrior god (or whomever is in charge of all this, hard to figure these things out) to decide who does or doesn't get the fate they deserve. Not us.
After the person is dead, they can't get their feelings hurt and don't care about their reputation anymore so we can be more forthright. There's no hurry here at the Wikipedia, we want to get things right for the long term not fast for the short term, mostly. On top of that, I think we are possibly talking about a person who was not even a major or barely so, and who was convicted only of a lesser crime and was sentenced to four months, suspended. We don't generally report the names of private individuals for crimes where they serve no time, only for serious crimes where they served a real sentence, and again even then only when it is truly necessary, when not reporting the name would be a disservice to the reader.
Daisy Coleman and Rex Barnett are notable enough to have their own articles so that's different. (I did redact the person's name from Rex Barnett's article also.) And, it's not like I'm carrying water for Maryville, I did put in the quote about it being a "lawless hellhole". Herostratus (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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