Talk:Manzanar

This is not of FA quality

This article received its FA rating back in 2007, at a time when the standards at FAC were considerably more relaxed than they have since become. Looking through this article, it is apparent that it does not meet present FA standards; indeed, it may even struggle to reach GA status. There are various sentences throughout the article that are simply unreferenced; the formatting of the citations that are used are haphazard; various sections, such as "Township", are badly organised and full of stand alone sentences; and there is an over-reliance on free web sources as opposed to more expert, print sources. I appreciate that a lot of time and effort probably went into getting this to FA status back in the noughties, but it is now time that we send this along to featured article review. Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Feature article review

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Content removed

The content below from the indicated sections was removed for various reasons, usually because of lack of citation. Please discuss these items in their sections below. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

In popular culture

The following content was removed because the mention was incidental or limited (such as to a single episode of a TV series, or a single scene in a film). These should be incorporated into the subject articles. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• In the 1984 movie The Karate Kid, Daniel reads the letter which informed Mr. Miyagi of the death of his wife and son during child birth on November 2, 1944, while in the Manzanar Relocation Camp. Mr. Miyagi was fighting for the US against the Germans in Europe when he received the news.
• A 2007 episode of the CBS television crime drama Cold Case, titled "Family 8108", dealt with the 1945 murder of a Japanese American man in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania after he and his family were released from Manzanar. The episode originally aired on December 9, 2007.
• Episode 253 of 99% Invisible, which aired March 2017, focused on Manzanar.

Owens Valley Paiute

This paragraph was removed because the references used are not verifiable (except for the one verifying the size of the lake):

• "The Army didn't take them on a direct route, either, said Owens Valley Paiute elder Irene Button. "They were forced to walk all the way around the eastern shore of Owens Lake (covers an area of approximately 108 square miles (280 km²)). They wanted to make sure that as many as possible would die before they reached Fort Tejon."
  • I may have found a book that talks about this. We'll see when I access it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Closure

These sentences were removed from the third paragraph (following "...慰霊塔 ("Soul Consoling Tower")."):

• The monument is often draped in strings of origami, and sometimes survivors and other visitors leave offerings of personal items as mementos. The National Park Service periodically collects and catalogues such items.

National Historic Landmark and National Historic Site

The following sentence was removed as sources have proven difficult to locate. (It was prior to "The Manzanar National Historic Site also unveiled its virtual museum..."):

• In late 2008, historically appropriate vegetation was planted near the Visitor Center.

References removed

Removed because they are apparently not reliable. Please feel free to comment on why or why not they are reliable. The name of the ref is in quotes, with the citation below that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

• "AikoWords":
  • Herzig-Yoshinaga, Aiko (March 4, 2010). "Words Can Lie Or Clarify: Terminology Of The World War II Incarceration Of Japanese Americans" (PDF). ManzanarCommittee.org. Aiko Herzig-Yoshinaga. Archived (PDF) from the original on January 13, 2017. Retrieved October 11, 2019.
• "DenshoTerminology":
  • "Densho: Terminology & Glossary: A Note On Terminology". Densho. 1997. Archived from the original on June 24, 2007. Retrieved July 15, 2007.
• "Reflectionsiii–iv"
  • Reflections: Three Self-Guided Tours Of Manzanar. Manzanar Committee. 1998. pp. iii–iv.
• "SKE-ManzanarCommittee"
  • Embrey, Bruce (October 21, 2010). "Sue Kunitomi Embrey: Concentration Camps, Not Relocation Centers". Manzanar Committee. Retrieved May 11, 2017.
• "McCarthy-Human Quest"
  • McCarthy, Sheryl (July–August 1999). "Suffering Isn't One Group's Exclusive Privilege". HumanQuest.
• "Ito-MotherJones"
  • Ito, Robert (September 15, 1998). "Concentration Camp Or Summer Camp?". Mother Jones. Archived from the original on January 4, 2011. Retrieved November 18, 2010.

External links

These are the links in the External links section. There are far too many. Let's whittle them down a bit. Feel free to make comments under any specific links. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• Linking WP:ELNO for consideration. buidhe 04:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• Adams photographs of Manzanar War Relocation Center, Library of Congress, Prints and Photographs Division
  • Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• The struggle for self government at Manzanar Relocation Center, The Bancroft Library
  • Could be used as a ref instead. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar Assembly Center letter and telegrams, 1942–1943, The Bancroft Library
  • Not sure for this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Forced Relocation and The Owens Valley By Lee Hanover, University of Nevada, Las Vegas
  • Could be used as a ref instead. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Deepest Valley: Owens Valley resource
  • I think this one can go over on the Manzanar, California article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Eastern California Museum
  • Not sure on this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Historic American Buildings Survey (HABS) No. CA-2399, "Manzanar War Relocation Center, Owens Valley off U.S. Highway 395, six miles south of Independence, Inyo County, CA"
  • Not sure. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • No opinion on the other links, but the HABS link should be kept in some form (either as a ref, or further reading, or external links). The text contains a pretty detailed construction history and physical description of the buildings, which is a useful resource (and/or some portion could be incorporated into the article if one wishes), and is unlikely to be replicated in that much detail in any other source, I think. In addition, the link includes a scale map and a few nice hi-res images. Finally, being included in the HABS is a point of significance in itself (not that the site needs the recognition, but still). Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:05, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar Cemetery
  • Not sure. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
    • It's user generated content so I would just axe it. buidhe 04:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
      •  Removed. If there were more images, I might argue to keep it. As it is, there are only eight photos there, so it's not a terribly useful resource. I have removed this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar Committee – official web site
  • Definitely keep this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar National Historic Site, National Park Service
  • Definitely keep this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Photo Journal: Solemn Lessons From Manzanar," by Mario G. Reyes, Rafu Shimpo
  • Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Prehistory of Owens Valley
  • I think this one can go over on the Manzanar, California article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Smithsonian Institution: A More Perfect Union
  • Could be used as a ref, though it's all in Flash, so it will be hard to cite. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• "Manzanar," Glen Kitayama, Densho Encyclopedia
  • Could be used as a ref instead. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• "Manzanar Free Press (newspaper)," Patricia Wakida, Densho Encyclopedia
  • Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar National Historic Site, National Park Service at Google Cultural Institute
  • Not sure. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar Cultural Landscape Report, Manzanar National Historic Site
  • Definitely keep this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Manzanar Geography of the Manzanar War Relocation Center
  • Could be used in the article, perhaps in the Preservation and remembrance section. Also as a ref. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I've removed all but seven of the links. This reduced it by nearly two-thirds. I think the remaining links should be sufficient. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Further reading

I'm thinking that "Owens Valley resources" might be better moved to the Manzanar, California article. The "Wartime-related resources" which are reliable secondary sources should be cited in the article; those which are primary sources should be kept as further reading. The Post-War-related resources looks like it has accumulated several books which are only tangentially related (if at all); I would axe most of it. buidhe 04:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I've moved the "Owens Valley resources" to Manzanar, California#Owens Valley resources. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Wartime-related resources

Buidhe, please specifically mark which ones you think should be kept as further reading and which should be used as references (if possible). Please give reasoning, if you can. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• Armor, John; Wright, Peter. (1989). Manzanar; Photographs by Ansel Adams. Vintage Books.
  • Remove, contains no information that isn't in the next book. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Ansel, Adams; Embrey, Sue Kunitomi; Michael, William H. (2001). Benti, Wynne (ed.). Born Free And Equal: The Story of Loyal Japanese Americans. Spotted Dog Press. ISBN 978-1-893343-05-4.
  • Change to the 1944 edition, which is free full text, and link that. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Bunting, Eve, Soentpiet, Chris K. (1998). So Far from the Sea. Clarion Books. ISBN 978-0-395-72095-0.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Children's book, remove. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Burton, Jeff (1998). The Archeology of Somewhere: Archeological Testing Along U.S. Highway 395, Manzanar National Historic Site. Western Archeological Center, National Park Service, United States Department of the Interior. Publications in Anthropology 72 (Covers archeological finds at Manzanar from the pre-World War II, wartime and post-war periods).
  • Remove. I don't see how this is adding anything to the article. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Cooper, Michael. (2002). Remembering Manzanar: Life In A Japanese Relocation Camp. Clarion Books. ISBN 978-0-618-06778-7.
  • Marginally reliable popular history book, may be worth keeping. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Denenberg, Barry. (1999). The Journal of Ben Uchida: Citizen 13559, Mirror Lake Internment Camp, California, 1942. Scholastic. ISBN 978-0-590-48531-9.
  • Remove, seems to be related to a different camp. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Embrey, Sue Kunitomi. (1972). The Lost Years: 1942–1946. Moonlight Publications. ISBN 978-0-930046-07-1.
• Garrett, Jessie A., Larson, Ronald C. (ed). (1977). Camp and Community: Manzanar and the Owens Valley. Japanese American Oral History Program: California State University, Fullerton. ISBN 978-0-930046-00-2.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Keep, relevant but not useful as a reference. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Goyette, Braden (September 16, 2014). "These Haunting Photos Capture The Daily Reality Of A Dark Episode In U.S. History". Huffington Post. Retrieved November 17, 2016.
• Goyette, Braden (May 12, 2014). "What It Was Like To Be A Kid In The Middle Of A Shameful Chapter In American History". Huffington Post. Retrieved November 17, 2016.
  • Removed both Huffpost articles as it's a marginally reliable source. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Howser, Huell (2002-01-08). "Manzanar (4012)". California's Gold. Chapman University Huell Howser Archive. Retrieved 2013-06-16.
  • This is a video documentary. Move to external links. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Inada, Lawson Fusao (ed.) (2000). Only What We Could Carry: The Japanese American Internment Experience. Heyday Books and the California Historical Society. ISBN 978-1-890771-30-0. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  • Remove, seems to be about internment in general with little on Manzanar. I've added it to Japanese American internment. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Peterson, Robert (November–December 1999). "Scouting in World War II Detention Camps". Scouting Magazine: The Way It Was. Retrieved September 28, 2007.
  • Removed as irrelevant since it has almost no information on the camp. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Weglyn, Michi (1996) [1976]. Years Of Infamy: The Untold Story Of America's Concentration Camps. University of Washington Press. ISBN 978-0-295-97484-2.
  • Should either be cited or deleted, depending on how much detail it has on Manzanar specifically. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure how to deal with memoirs, they are probably not WP:RS for our purposes here, and my inclination would be just copy them to the wikiarticles of their authors. If the author/book isn't notable, it probably isn't worth keeping. buidhe 05:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I've trimmed the list per this discussion. Down to four now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Post-War-related resources

Buidhe, please specifically mark which ones you think should be kept as further reading, which should be used as references (if possible), and which should be axed. Please give reasoning, if you can. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

• Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians. (1997). Personal Justice Denied: Report of the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians. Civil Liberties Public Education Fund and University of Washington Press. ISBN 978-0-295-97558-0.
  • Remove, not sufficiently related to the topic. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Remove/move to Embrey's article. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
    • I think this one is sufficiently related to be here, too. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
• Daniels, Roger, Kitano, Harry H.L., Taylor, Sandra C (1986). Japanese Americans From Relocation To Redress. University of Utah Press. ISBN 978-0-87480-258-0.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Remove, this is about restitution for internment not Manzanar. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Irons, Peter (1983). Justice At War. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-503273-4.
  • Remove, irrelevant. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Japanese American Historical Society of Southern California (1998). Nanka Nikkei Voices: Resettlement Years, 1945–1955. Japanese American Historical Society of Southern California.
  • Remove, this is about internment in general, not Manzanar specifically. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Maki, Mitchell T., Kitano, Harry H.L., Berthold, S. Megan (1999). Achieving The Impossible Dream: How Japanese Americans Obtained Redress. University of Illinois Press. ISBN 978-0-252-02458-0.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Remove, this is about restitution for internment not Manzanar. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Silber, Rebecca R (March 15, 1998). "Lexicon of Genocide (Letter to the Editor)". New York Times. Retrieved January 1, 2008.
  • Remove, irrelevant. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Takei, Barbara, Tachibana, Julie (2001). Tule Lake Revisited. T & T Press. ISBN 978-0-9711676-0-5.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Remove, unrelated to Manzanar. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Tse, Joyce (May 2, 2007). "Manzanar Pilgrimage Begins A New Era". The Rafu Shimpo. Archived from the original on July 1, 2007. Retrieved January 19, 2009.
  • Remove, questionable reliability. buidhe 05:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
    • It's from a long-running newspaper in Los Angeles. I'm not seeing the "questionable reliability" issue. I think this one should be kept, too. I've removed all of them but the two I mentioned here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Muslim pilgrimages

The article states:

Since the September 11 attacks, American Muslims have participated in the Pilgrimage to promote and increase awareness of civil rights protections in the wake of widespread suspicions harbored against them post-9/11.

Is this still happening? Does anyone have articles more recent than 2008? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm finding sources for 2017 and 2019. Seems it's still a thing. buidhe 05:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Awesome. I've added the LA Times article and added a sentence. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

References

Additional resources for references

Buidhe provided this list of possible sources for use in improving the article:

• Burton, Jeffery F.; Farrell, Mary M. (2013). ""Life in Manzanar Where There Is a Spring Breeze": Graffiti at a World War II Japanese American Internment Camp". Prisoners of War: Archaeology, Memory, and Heritage of 19th- and 20th-Century Mass Internment. Springer. pp. 239–269. ISBN 978-1-4614-4166-3.
• Colborn-Roxworthy, Emily (2007). ""Manzanar, the Eyes of the World Are upon You": Performance and Archival Ambivalence at a Japanese American Internment Camp". Theatre Journal. 59 (2): 189–214. ISSN 0192-2882.
• HAYASHI, ROBERT T. (November 2003). "Transfigured Patterns: Contesting Memories at the Manzanar National Historic Site". The Public Historian. 25 (4): 51–71. doi:10.1525/tph.2003.25.4.51.
• Ohrn, Karen Becker (31 July 2019). "What You See Is What You Get: Dorothea Lange and Ansel Adams at Manzanar". Journalism History. 4 (1): 14–32. doi:10.1080/00947679.1977.12066836.
• Hansen, Authur A.; Hacker, David A. (13 February 2019). "The Manzanar Riot: An Ethnic Perspective". Amerasia Journal. 2 (2): 112–157. doi:10.17953/amer.2.2.1kl24477mkk70q51.
• Kurashige, Lon (1 August 2001). "Resistance, Collaboration, and Manzanar Protest". Pacific Historical Review. 70 (3): 387–417. doi:10.1525/phr.2001.70.3.387.
• Ladino, Jennifer K. (1 January 2015). "Mountains, Monuments, and other Matter: Environmental Affects at Manzanar". Environmental Humanities. 6 (1): 131–157. doi:10.1215/22011919-3615925.
• HAYS, FRANK (November 2003). "The National Park Service: Groveling Sycophant or Social Conscience: Telling the Story of Mountains, Valley, and Barbed Wire at Manzanar National Historic Site". The Public Historian. 25 (4): 73–80. doi:10.1525/tph.2003.25.4.73.
• Beckwith, Ronald J. (2013). "Japanese-Style Ornamental Community Gardens at Manzanar Relocation Center". Prisoners of War: Archaeology, Memory, and Heritage of 19th- and 20th-Century Mass Internment. Springer. pp. 271–284. ISBN 978-1-4614-4166-3.
• Thy Phu (2008). "The Spaces of Human Confinement: Manzanar Photography and Landscape Ideology". Journal of Asian American Studies. 11 (3): 337–371. doi:10.1353/jaas.0.0020.
• Smocovitis, Vassiliki Betty (February 2011). "Genetics Behind Barbed Wire: Masuo Kodani, Émigré Geneticists, and Wartime Genetics Research at Manzanar Relocation Center". Genetics. 187 (2): 357–366. doi:10.1534/genetics.110.126128.
• Parks, Kimberley Roberts (January 2004). "Revisiting Manzanar: A history of Japanese American internment camps as presented in selected federal government documents 1941–2002". Journal of Government Information. 30 (5–6): 575–593. doi:10.1016/j.jgi.2004.10.003.
• McStotts, Jennifer Cohoon (May 2007). "Internment in the Desert: A Critical Review of Manzanar National Historic Site". International Journal of Heritage Studies. 13 (3): 281–287. doi:10.1080/13527250701228239.
• Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
• Alinder, Jasmine (2009). "The Right to Represent: Toyo Miyatake's Photographs of Manzanar". Moving Images: Photography and the Japanese American Incarceration. University of Illinois Press. ISBN 978-0-252-03398-8.

Feel free to use any or all of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Cow Creek annex

The latest USNPS map of internment facilities includes a pointer to Cow Creek in Death Valley as a sort of intermediate/temporary jail short of sending people to Tule Lake. This is next to NPS employee housing and the DV Nat. Hist. Assoc.. 24.121.145.212 (talk) 23:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)