Talk:Vasili IV of Russia

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Russian Homage

Why is it not mentioned in the article?

Also, the article mentions that "in 1610, he was deposed by his former adherents Princes Vorotynsky and Mstislavsky, and made a monk". If so, how could he pay homage to Sigismund III Vasa as a Russian Czar on 29 October 1611? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danvolodar (talk • contribs) 16:55, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

hmm..how one can die when he is already dead? ;_) (pls rephrase the last sentence..)

User:Ghirlandajo should justify his changes not me.--Emax 08:00, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

And why is that? Are you special in some way? You made the dubious changes, please justify them. --Gene s 08:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

User:Space Cadet wrote in the summary: I already discussed on your own Talk page. And without your ridiculing and patronizing. Just for the record what he wrote in my talk page:

I engage in reverts of incorrect information, because and only when I truly believe it is incorrect. Sometimes I have a difficulty using Talk pages (when I run out of coins in an internet cafe) and sometimes I forget the edit summaries. Mea Culpa. Space Cadet 08:42, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

That is not a meaningful reply. --Gene s 10:24, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Gordian knot

Gentlemen, I untied the Gordian knot for you by placing both of the rulers in the succession box and adding a {{disputed}} tag. I believe it should stay there until the matter is resolved here. Please, don't make me ask for protection of this page. Halibu tt 10:42, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he should be listed there. At least with a note, explaining this as a historical curiosity. I'd do the same for Wladyslaw as a tzar or Russian tzars as rulers of Poland, add them to a list with <sup>1</sup> note below explaining that the title is controversial because... Btw, the same thing is with Wladyslaw being King of Sweden, Goths and Vandals - IIRC he never step one foot there, but I hear nobody complaining. The fact is that he had a reason to call himself that. Should we censore it out or explain why he insisted on doing that, even if he wasn't really a Tsar? Are we builing an NPOV Encyclopedia or not? Btw, I like the idea of putting two names in the template. We can have the real tsar and the 'wannabe' Wladislaw with a note, nicely fixing everything, don't you think so? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:46, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Let's avoid repeating everything. I suggest we use Talk:Michael I of Russia as the primary talk page. --Gene s

Support. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:12, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

External link

Godunov to Nicholas II by Saul Zaklad

Conflict

Okay, was Vasya IV the last Rurikid Tsar, or was it Feodor I? THe pages on the two Tsars and the Rurik dyanasty all conflict.--ChadThomson 07:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Feodor was the last Rurikid tsar from the legitimate House of Moscow. Vasily IV was also a Rurikid, but he was not chosen by people and his legitimacy was not backed up by tradition. --Ghirlandajo 07:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vasili?

Normally it's romanised as Vasily (my preference) or Vasiliy. Vasili is wrong. This needs admin intervention. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 22:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further to the above, how could he have been born Vasily Ivanovich Shuisky, but become Tsar Vasili? This utter inconsistency in romanisation is very telling. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 18:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Exiled by Boris Godunov?

According to the article False Dmitry I

...many of the noble families exiled by Godunov - such as the Shuiskys, Golitsins and Romanovs - were granted his [False Dmitry] grace and allowed to return back to Moscow

However this article mentions no such thing. Instead we have

...[Shuisky] went to Uglich to inquire into the cause of the death of the Tsarevich Dmitry Ivanovich... Shuisky reported that it was a case of suicide... On the death of Boris... Shuisky went back upon his own words in order to gain favour with the pretender False Dmitriy I

Suggesting that Shuisky remained loyal to Godunov until the later's death.

What is correct?

Top.Squark (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Family

Can someone add something about his wives and two daughters in the article?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 05:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]