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Stub

OK. Like it says, this is a stub, because I don't have the time right now to write up the article that this topic deserves. I'll post more as I have time. --Popefelix 02:53, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

GrimJack page revival

I figured with the recent rerelease of GrimJack stuff, it would be worth expanding the page... I also moved it to the more correct 'GrimJack' page. --Triseult 07:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Bob (First Comics) here

The character of Bob is non-notable outside of the GrimJack series. The brief information in that article should be moved into this one. -- JHunterJ 18:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gonna have to agree on that one. Despite my personal feelings on Grimjack, for Wikipedia, it can all be summed up in a single entry for now. Donovan Ravenhull 19:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose What do you have against poor Bob? This is, what, the second or third time you've gone after something related to the character? Bob had many stories separate from GJ in the Munden's backup feature. Otto4711 19:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What I've got against Bob can be summed up as "lack of notability". I have never gone after him; you may have taken it personally when I reverted your addition of the then-redlink article to the Bob disambig page, but that was out of general disambiguation-article guidelines, not out of anything against Bob. I notice you have no problem recommending other articles be deleted or merged for notability (which I tend to agree with). Why do you think Bob is more notable than the winner of some reality TV show? -- JHunterJ 21:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naw, I didn't take it personally, just a reaction to what seemed to be a manifestation I've noted recently of editors jumping on stuff very quickly. As for Bob's notability, he's an important supporting character in a well-regarded series about which interest is continuing, who had a number of solo stories apart from the main character. See for example Willie Lumpkin (who, admittedly, has the comic strip to boost his notability). Now, if you wanted to do a section in the GrimJack article for supporting characters and link it back to Bob's article, I'd be fine with that, and I plan to write some more articles about other characters and flesh out Bob's article, but the character is sufficient to sustain his own page. Otto4711 00:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In thinking about this further, I still think there's enough information about Bob to sustain his own article and I'm still planning on writing more about other supporting characters, but in the interest of concentrating the information I'm thinking that a GrimJack supporting characters article would better serve. Comments? Otto4711 16:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The quote from Zelazny

The section "Influence of GrimJack in other published works" (BTW, isn't it redundant to have "of GrimJack" in that?) contains a quotation from the Roger Zelazny short story, "The Shroudling and the Guisel" which is both italicized and in quotation marks. If this is a line of spoken dialogue from the story, then that's fine, but it sounds more like narrative text, in which case quote marks alone would suffice. So I must ask: Is it indeed dialogue, or is this story told in first person narration? --Ted Watson (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those have been fixed sometime in the last 3+ years. But the title of the story "Manx Cat" was in italics, which are usually used for the names of books or other full-size works. I changed the double apostrophes to double-quotes. --Thnidu (talk) 03:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE ALREADY MOVED. This seems to be in line with the article's sources. -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:01, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GrimJack → Grimjack — (Discuss) — The comic is correctly spelled with lower-case "j" per any number of editorials and letters pages within issues of the comic itself. Unclear where this notion of a capital J came from in the first place but it's wrong. — Otto4711 (talk) 19:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Needs to be moved back. This was in the contested section, not the uncontested section. The correct spelling is GrimJack. See http://www.grimjack.com/ 199.125.109.102 (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- (I made that move-back. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Clearly not uncontroversial. JPG-GR (talk) 17:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then why was the logo—until very late in the original run—in two tiers, with "Grim" on top of "Jack"? That's no less than two separate words. And the title of a Wikipedia article is never changed ("moved") without discussion. --Ted Watson (talk) 22:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is not actually true. There are actually several cases where a name is moved without discussion. For, example video game articles from Japanse comapnies are often moved immeditaly when the English title is announed due to WP:UE etc. Obvously, this one needs discussion but it is not alaways necessary in every case. --76.66.186.226 (talk) 23:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. That is true. The principle is to be bold and fix things that you see that need to be fixed. In cases where you know there is doubt, the principle is to discuss first, and in cases where you have no clue, the principle is to ask first. This was originally presented at WP:RM in an incomplete manner, with no place here for discussion. A cursory look at the article showed that the grimjack.com website used GrimJack, indicating doubt about the move. It is now open for discussion. Stylistically the title appears to be all lowercase for Grim and all uppercase for Jack in the illustration. Go figure. However the website uses GrimJack. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 03:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment re: lower-case grim capital JACK. This is just a logo, similar in use to any other logo for any other product. The Diet Pepsi bottle sitting on my desk uses all lower-case for "diet" and all caps for "PEPSI". I don't think anyone would use that as the impetus for moving Diet Pepsi to "diet PEPSI". The GJ logo design was also changed beginning with issue 75, to all lower-case, which argues against the logo being considered as a factor in naming the article. Otto4711 (talk) 17:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The comic book itself uses lower-case. This is the definition of "no-brainer". Otto4711 (talk) 05:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Why does the website use GrimJack? Are they not authoritative? FYI, you can read the comic book online, and it uses ALL CAPS, so I do not see how you can say it uses lower-case. By the way, this never should have been moved to Grimjack while this discussion was still in progress. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 05:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't know why the website uses the capital J. I do know, as I already said once, that the paper comic book uses lower-case beginning with Grimjack #1 (maybe even dating back to the Starslayer issues) in editorials, lettercols, any time the name appears in print outside of a word balloon. The creator uses lower-case. I have no idea who copy-edited the website text or if anyone copy-edited the website text. God knows proof reading isn't exactly a highly prized skill on the Internet. Given the choice between considering the comic book, which was produced by the creator and remained consistent through 81 issues, plus the various and sundry other books in which the character appeared which also used lower-case, and one website the author or editor of which may not have anything to do with the creation of the content or the character, go with the approximately 100 appearances of lower-case. Additionally, Wikipedia:NAME#Use_standard_English_for_titles_even_if_trademarks_encourage_otherwise indicates that "Grimjack" should be used and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(trademarks) states CamelCase is best used "where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable". General usage as illustrated by the comic book itself is lower-case and the capital J does not make the trademarked name more readable. Otto4711 (talk) 17:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Could you take a look at the website and see if it is a faithful reproduction of the printed comics? I am reading through them, and I see that GrimJack is often referred to as "Jack".[1] I see all uppercase, is that not the same with the printed copies (other than the covers, which all use "grim JACK")? 199.125.109.102 (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - The comic available online was never to the best of my knowledge published on paper. As I'm sure you're aware, in comics all lettering is done upper-case (except when used for an effect) so what appears in-panel isn't germane. Otto4711 (talk) 18:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        So if all comics are done in upper-case, where are you getting the statement that in the comic book itself it is lower-case? 199.125.109.102 (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        The text within the story is all done upper-case. There is also text that is outside the story. Ostrander wrote frequent editorials, which are typeset in regular type. There are letters to the editor columns, also done in standard type. There are lists of monthly titles, also typeset. Each time the name appears set in type it's done with the lower-case j. Do you own any comic books? Look at a letters page or a "Bullpen Bulletin" or a "Direct Currents" page and you'll see what I'm talking about with the typesetting of such pages. Otto4711 (talk) 22:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When I did a Google search I found both spellings, but it appears that the folks that publish the comic book on the Internet spell it GrimJack. I would suggest that John Ostrander (the writer) take it up with ComicMix, if he wants it spelled Grimjack. They spell it GrimJack. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 01:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that the owner of the character, John Ostrander, knows how to spell his own character's name and has spelled it with the lower-case j since creating the character over 25 years ago. What you're saying is the equivalent of "Well, Marvel has spelled 'Spider-Man' with a hyphen since the beginning but there are Google hits without the hyphen so our article should be without the hypen." Otto4711 (talk) 03:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Superman does not go around calling himself Man, GrimJack calls himself Jack. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where does GJ call himself "Jack"? His friends call him (depending on the incarnation) "Jawn", "Gaunt", "Grinner", "Jackknife", "Boss", "Jim" or "Twilley". And what does this have to do with anything? Otto4711 (talk) 16:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that the ISSN and the Statement of ownership, management and circulation, both documented in issue 21, use the lower-case j. Otto4711 (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See the link above.[2] There are many others like that in "The Manx Cat". 199.125.109.102 (talk) 00:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Family tree?

The biography section is very confusing to read, trying to keep track of brothers, half-brothers, more brothers (oops, that's father's brother, so uncle on the father's side).

And then we get to lovers and more... not to mention reincarnation in various forms. Somebody please diagram this! --Thnidu (talk) 03:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Movie

@Triseult: I'm undoing the anonymous blanking of the brief section on the aborted plan to make a movie. Instead, I'm marking it "citation needed" and pinging the person who originally added the section. --Thnidu (talk) 14:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]