Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Alternative medicine stubs

The following discussion comes from Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. This is an archive of the discussion only; please do not edit this page. -Kbdank71 15:37, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category:Alternative medicine stubs

Category:Alternative medicine stubs was created on 4 Mar 2005 and clearly duplicates the pre-existing Category:CAM stubs which was created on 21 Feb 2005. The creator of this duplicate category also wrote the template{{alt-med-stub}} which uses the term CAM. -- John Gohde 10:45, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

DELETE - The prefered category to be used is Category:CAM stubs because it:

pre-existed the duplicate Category:Alternative medicine stubs stubs category, and
Category:CAM stubs takes up less screen space. -- John Gohde 10:45, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

KEEP - Category:CAM stubs is meaningless without a stub notice in an article; John Gohde, see Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub. {{alt-med-stub}} adds the alternative medicine stubs to Category:Stub categories, and provides a convenient way for alternative medicine stubs to be tagged as such. Category:CAM stubs will be nominated for deletion shortly. --CDN99 15:44, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete. I agree with John on this. ~~Nonetheless, I fixed the CAM stubs category ... Category:CAM stubs and {{Template:CAM-stub}}.~~ Courtland 18:44, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
- Welcome to Wikipedia Ceyockey. Unfortunately, you did not fix the CAM stubs category; now, the CAM stubs category has a notice to tag an article with {{alt-med-stub}}, which then directs the reader to Category:Alternative medicine stubs. Consider the deletion of Category:CAM stubs, which does not have an associated stub template. --CDN99 19:21, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  - I'll open with a blunt response .. you sarcastic ass. Now that's out of my system ... you usurped the CAM-stub name, therefore there is now a {{Template:CAM2-stub}} as well as a Category:Complementary and alternative medicine stubs which is a child of Category:Alternative medicine. In the likely event that the deletion suggested here goes through, then the CAM2-stub can be retired in favor of the proper CAM-stub. Courtland 19:53, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
  - Comment: Courtland/Ceyockey, please review Wikipedia:Civility for your sake and others'. --CDN99 21:11, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This is all getting very ridiculous. Delete all but one each of the categories and templates. I'd say keep Template:CAM-stub and Category:CAM stubs simply because of the shorter names. -Sean Curtin 20:08, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
- When things are all settled, I'll take care of the deletions for that which I created (as it should be), which I created merely because a significant complaint at the outset was apparently the technical issue of "one works and the other does not". Courtland 23:26, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
Keep. I'm not an expert on medicine, so if I were to look for this, I'd search for "alternative medicine", not "CAM". -Kbdank71 20:23, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- that is very useful input because it touches on "usability" rather than "standards" ... though they are both quite important. Courtland 23:35, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
- Only knowledgeable individuals should be classifying articles into categories. Wikipedia guidelines clearly state that no CAM article should go into category:alternative medicine because it is a major category. The stub category exists for a reason: To suggest that stub topics be moved into the glossary of alternative medicine. It exists for the benefit of knowledgeable individuals interested in developing CAM related articles. -- John Gohde 01:42, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  - Ok, I'll re-phrase, then. I'm not an expert on medicine, so if I were to look for this, I'd search for "alternative medicine stubs", not "CAM stubs". But regardless, this is an encyclopedia, not a medical journal. If average Joe User was interested in finding everything related to alternative medicine, including stubs, how is he expected to know that he should be looking in CAM stubs? -Kbdank71 18:48, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    - Personally, I think categories are just plain stupid to begin with. The only categories that remotely make any sense are those that the public shouldn't see at all because they are for administrative purposes. Stubs would be one category the public should never see. -- John Gohde 21:46, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      - Well, that didn't answer my question, but thanks for your opinion anyway. -Kbdank71 22:07, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    - Keep this as the category name (It's going to be more intuitive to people browsing category lists). Definitely keep the tempate at CAM though. Snowspinner 23:25, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

OK, so it's clear we want only one template and one category. The question is, what should they be called. Vote summary:

Category:CAM stubs: John Gohde, Courtland, Sean Curtin
Category:Alternative medicine stubs: CDN99, Kbdank71, Snowspinner
Category:Complementary and alternative medicine stubs: Ceyockey

Everyone seems to agree that CAM-stub is OK.

To break the tie, I vote for "Category:Alternative medicine stubs". So, delete the following:

-- Beland 23:40, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)