Talk:Buenos Aires

Its HDI

Side bar on this page says 0.876 while http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Argentine_provinces_by_Human_Development_Index states 0.953. Also "The Buenos Aires Human Development Index (0.923 in 1998) is likewise high by international standards." is confusing the matter even further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.130.1.202 (talk) 06:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Lead image nominated for deletion

The lead image of this article, File:Expanded Buenos Aires Montage.JPG, is currently nominated for deletion at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Expanded Buenos Aires Montage.JPG. You can take part in the discussion, and if you think the image should be deleted, you can try to provide a replacement for it, fixing the issues pointed in it. commons:Category:Buenos Aires and subcategories offer plenty of images related to the city MBelgrano (talk) 11:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

That racial diversity in the city says is not realistic, is subjective and unfounded. It is impossible to say that 80% is white because there is no survey on the matter. Sorry for my bad English. Greetings typicad--Tipicad (talk) 23:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC).

number of headings

Needs to be greatly reduced. LibStar (talk) 08:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Too many images?

Does this article have way too many images or is it my imagination? Outside of the Infobox, there are 70 images. As a comparison, Santiago has 45, Rio de Janeiro 42, Madrid 65, and Paris 39. -- Alexf^(talk) 17:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like nobody seems to care about this issue after two weeks w/o comments. Let's give it some more time then start removing images. It has way too many and we do not want to overload the article with images. -- Alexf^(talk) 21:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I particularly think it's OK just like this. I check the article from time to time and I'm impressed at the speed of change. Everything is updated so fast... it's way better than the Spanish version. With regard to the images, maybe a few could be deleted, but it doesn't interfere with the info people read, they're all perfectly placed, and, as I said before, the article is a lot better and much more complete than the Spanish version, and one of the reasons is the quantity of images. It's a beautiful article, great work, I congrulate every person taking part in this. That's my opinion, most of the images can't be left out, that would be far from making things better. Sorry for my bad english!--Luuchoo93 (talk) 09:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Approximately 12 additional images (+~20%) in the last 7 days, its out of balance!! - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 20:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I still contend there are way too many. Comparing this to es:wp has nothing to do with the issue. Comparing it to similar articles (as I did above) and following established procedures: MOS:IMAGES, WP:IUP, WP:MONTAGE, WP:IDD, is the important thing. -- Alexf^(talk) 20:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

In the Paris article there is aproximatelly twice as much text and half the images - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 21:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Achille-mauzan-geniol.jpg

Argentine cultural icon → File:Achille-mauzan-geniol.jpg by Lucien-Achille Mauzan, father of the Argentine Poster, is in danger of being eliminated by a fellow wikipedian claiming that there are other alternatives, which is incorrect, the other alternative is a “distorted replica” → that does not convey the true cultural significance, and furthermore, image in question “meets all” of WP:NFCC 10 criterias requested for non-free content use. — Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 05:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

And who said that it has to be a Geniol advertisment? It can be any image related to the culture of Buenos Aires, and we have several free ones available, even right now in the section. The image may be acceptable in an article about Geniol, but not in a broad and unspecific article section as a "culture in...". Cambalachero (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

With all due respects, It seems yore not well informed, Achille Mauzan, is the creator of hundreds of astonishing posters known troughout the world. He studied art in France during the avant-garde of modern advertising era. He moved to Italy at 22, where he had immense success and remained there for nearly 20 years, before moving to Argentina in 1927. There he became known as the "father of the advertising poster." His ability to create powerful, salient images was uncanny, and such Mauzan characters as the «Geniol» man are still part of Argentine popular culture today. Achille Mauzan in those days could be compared to Andy Warhol, John Lennon or Bob Marley of late! Eliminating this historic image is eliminating a bit of culture of the Argentinean society, the elements of the foundation for a nation to be great - punto y aparte, so come on dude, get real.

The image in question is there with special permission, if it leaves the article it goes into the trash, and the world will be a little less informed of the Argentine Culture - ♥ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 06:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

If you want to keep the file, you may write the missing article Geniol and use it there. Cambalachero (talk) 11:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Why do you keep hiding images in question?! This is the talk page and they are allowed for commentary, if you like once discussion has ended you may hide images!

Presently i don't have time to write an article about Geniol, and this has nothing to do with the product Geniol and i don't personally take «over-the-counter drugs», this is about a piece of our culture and history, kinda of hiding Coca Cola from a United States related article - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 13:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Then save a copy of the image to your computer, and upload it again when you write that article. Non-free images may only be shown in articles, not in talk pages; here they can be linked but not shown. See WP:NFCC, which explicit about that, item 9. This image fails the item 1: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". Despite the significance of Geniol, it is not the single and only cultural production of Buenos Aires, not by a long shot. There are several other ones, and many may be shown with free images. Besides, giving this advertisment the same cultural significance of the mate or the tango is an absolute nonsense. Please step back and read what you actually wrote. Are you really being serious? Cambalachero (talk) 14:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey Cambalachero, now i'm a little disappointed, what is this?? → Cambalachero and Belgrano, Please explain!! - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 15:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I got tired of people who thought that the name was about the ship, and reacting about it at completely unrelated places, so I requested an account rename, and choose an unspecific username this time. There's nothing hidden about it, there is a disclaimer in my userpage, at the top and right. Cambalachero (talk) 17:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Naaah!, you've crossed the line, permanent blocking and banned from Spanish Wikipedia, those are serious allegations, and what makes you think you won't do it again here.

I tell you what, let's wait for the participation of other fellow Wikipedians regarding this issue, in the mean time i'll put back the image, maybe smaller sized, if it leaves the article it goes into the trash along with a bit more of our culture, - Greetings - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

That was 3 years ago. Wikipedia in English has other users and other rules, and I have never been blocked here. Neither in Commons, where I am administrator. Don't try to appeal to that for a tu quoque argument regarding the file under discussion Cambalachero (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok Cambalachero, we're both English speaking argentines, if i'm not mistaken, i believe you're from Villa Devoto, my granparents are from there, i'm from C.J. Palomar and hang around there and in Hurlingham, same two rail lines tied us up, i've seen your collaborations and they are dependable, you're devoted and an asset to Wikipedia, though you've got to fix you're standing in the Spanish Wikipedia, so lets work together on this, let me study Art Deco artist, advertiser and scupltor Achille Mauzans work in Argentina, and his disciples like Gino Boccasile and others that have left an imprint and enriched the argentine culture, they have hundreds of posters, though Geniol really stands out, and like i've said, they where like rock stars of the graphic world of those days, so in the mean time i suggest leaving image until dispute is settled - Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 15:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Climate

Over the past few months, the climate box colours for the precipitation keep being changed from green to blue and occasionally becomes completely deleted and replaced by a climate chart. My proposal is that the precipitation colours should be turned to green. I am okay with the current temperature colour. The reasons are

1. It reduces the blending of the blue colours from humidity/precip days
2. It creates a chilly/cloudy impression of the climate (blue colours makes it appear it has a lot of precipitation, meaning it looks like its climate is cloudy and unsettled throughout the year if I removed the sunshine data), especially for a climate that is mild throughout the year (high yearly average).

Should the precipitation colours be turned to green for this climate box? Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Winter

BA has mild winters - every month has a 24 hour average which is in the double figures C. Its winter temps are similar to those in Athens, Lisbon & Palermo. I don't know why any source would say that BA's winters are cool/cold/chilly, but it's clearly wrong. Cool winters are what Amsterdam, Brussels, Dublin, London, Paris, Seattle & Vancouver have. Jim Michael (talk) 01:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

This is why secondary sources exist. Some people may consider Amsterdam's winters warm; others consider it cold. That's why when it was mentioned it had a cool winter, there was a secondary source that states its winters are cool. You claim: "I don't know why any source would say that BA's winters are cool/cold/chilly, but it's clearly wrong." but the source being cited comes from the Official Tourism Site of Buenos Aires. Also the Argentina National Weather Service also defines BA's winters as cold/cool (Spanish: En la extensa zona que abarca la Capital Federal y el Gran Buenos Aires, esta estación del año se caracteriza por tiempo frío moderado durante el día y noches, en general, muy frías en el conurbano.). Frio means cool/cold. I would rather use a secondary source than rely on one's opinion of what is cold or not cold. Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Rfc for period of reference in the climate table for Buenos Aires

In the climate data for Buenos Aires, should the period of reference to be used be 1981–2010 or 1981–2019? Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Over the last few days, there has been recent changes to the climate table in which the current edition uses the standard 1981-2010 period and the recent changes using the 1981–2019 period. The source is based on [1] and [2] where the user wishes to add the 2011-2019 period to the 1981-2010 period. Upon checking the source, it is reliable source and is quite comprehensive. However there has been a dispute over which versions to use so I would like to have outsider opinions on this one. In the meantime, keep the previous version prior to the changes. Thanks. Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

my opinion is the following below: I think the problem has to be with the way the data was altered in a couple of ways. I think first of all, while the files are in excel and you can simply let it do the math for you, it is okay in countries where published data are not available (e.g. Bolivia) but if published data is available, we should use those first because it is much easier to verify, especially given that fact that vandalism in climate data on wiki pages is a big problem. Secondary sources are publishing climatological normals are preferred to primary sources with monthly/daily data and this is what most city articles use so we should use secondary sources if we can. If you start using primary sources, you could run into the issue of WP:OR given that calculating the numbers is an arduous task and not a simply routine calculation along with the fact that secondary sources already exist. I think this was the main reason I had to revert.

Secondly, except for a few countries, most countries use a standard 30 year period recommended by the WMO. It's long enough to eliminate year to year variability but recent enough to include recent climates. The 1981-2019 period is quite arbitrary if we are only using the primary source. What happens in 2020 or 2022? Do we now change it to 1981-2020 or 1981-2022 respectively? It also sets off potential edit wars where maybe another user decides to only include data from 1991 or another things 10 years of data is enough. This has long been the case in Australian cities where reverts occur because some editors want to use the whole 158 years of data or something while others prefer the 1981-2010 period. The 30 yr standard enables a good reference for comparison. Climate data is not a race to put up the most recent data (minus the extremes). Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Conurbation

A conurbation includes the population of that area, with the main city too. I live in Argentina, and I know what I say. Buenos Aires city has 3 million habitants aprox., and the Greater Buenos Aires, 12 million. Total = 15 Aprox. Why did you change what I wrote before??. If you say that BsAs. has the third biggest conurbation in Latin America is because you count de 3 million of the capital, and the 12 of the suburbs. If not, is not the 3rd conurbation. You must be well informed. Thanks. Matías. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.29.155.63 (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Buenos Aires

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you !. AlfaRocket (talk) 12:27, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Demographics (racialisation)

It should be noted that the colonialist/segregationist categories under which the population of Buenos Aires has been classified in the "Demographics" section (e.g., "white," "mestizo," etc.) no only are politically incorrect (and utterly racist), but also make no sense at all in the Latin American context. Please improve this article by removing such ill-defined and racially biased classification.

The categories are correct, and are used in many Wikipedia articles about countries and cities. This is not about personal opinions, but about actual information.--190.48.82.129 (talk) 22:58, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

gdp

where is the gdp per capita? 176.92.144.222 (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

in 2012 it was 52,638 gdp ppp per capita dollars, it should have increased since then. 176.92.144.222 (talk) 11:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

BA pronunciation

I've found this questionable statement:

It is common as well to refer to it as "B.A." or "BA" /ˌbiːˈeɪ/ bee-AY. While "BA" is used more by expats residing in the city...

It is very unlikely that "expats residing in the city" of Buenos Aires would pronounce BA... in English! More likely it would be something like [ˈbe ˈa].--Carnby (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I've heard B.A. said in English fairly often, especially from tourists, but I've never heard it in Spanish. It wouldn't surprise me if locals also said it in English given the prevalence of English loanwords, but I can't attest for it. A more common abbreviation in Spanish would be something like Baires. Either way, all these claims are original research and would require sources. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Locals say it in English? You aren't serious, are you? Locals say Buenos Aires, or Baires. When talking about the political division they talk about the Ciudad Autónoma or CABA, (previously Capital Federal). -- Alexf^(talk) 19:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

No, just to clarify, I was never suggesting that people from Buenos Aires say it in English, just expats and tourists. I have never heard anyone from Argentina say it in English. Saying that it wouldn't surprise me if locals say it in English was more tongue-in-cheek, since there are certain parts of the city where bacon is more common than panceta and flights are "low cost" instead of "bajo costo", etc. There's a certain sector of the population which seems to be committed to butchering the language. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 18:26, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Underground (Subte) Map

The current map featured in the article includes all projected lines (F, G and I) rather than just the existing operating ones. I think it might be misleading, especially when those lines are not even under construction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.136.93.77 (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Yup, at most it should have only the parts currently under construction, which is just the northern extension of Line E. Editors of this article seem to be obsessed with changing pictures all the time based on aesthetics instead of doing any real editing, which is how this one presumably ended up there even though it's totally incorrect, as is often the case with these image changes. Feel free to change it since its likely that the only reason it's even there is because it looks more cool than the actual map. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, it's quite confusing to display that map since many lines there simply do not exist, and there's no work being done on them.

It's been 5 years and the incorrect map remains. Should I just change it?

This is the current map according to the local government.[3]

Does it have the necessary copyright clearence for usage in Wikipedia? EnnDBee (talk) 20:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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Changed Spanish Crown for Crown of Aragon: the Spanish Crown did not exist in the year 1324. I have also replaced "Buen Ayre" for "Bonaira" when the name of the Virgin arriving in Sardinia is explained since Buen Ayre is old Castilian language and the people who named the Virgin this name were Catalans. I have also replaced Aragonese by Catalans, as Catalans were the ones that build the Sanctuary (as it was already explained at the beginning of the paragraph when talking about the missionaries). In this way I have tried to make it more coherent. You can read about this period in history in the Cagilari wikipedia page, where it says:

When the fortified city was finally conquered by the Catalan-Aragonese army, Castel di Castro (Castel de Càller or simply Càller in Catalan) became the administrative capital of the newborn Kingdom of Sardinia, one of the many kingdoms forming the Crown of Aragon, which later came under the rule of the Spanish Empire. After the expulsion of the Tuscans,[27] the Castello district was repopulated by the Catalan settlers of Bonaria while the indigenous population was, as in the past, concentrated in Stampace and Villanova. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubusi (talk • contribs) 07:48, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Why does searching Buenos bring me to here

When I search up Buenos on Wikipedia search, it redirects me to Buenos Aires. Why is it doing that? Metric Supporter 89 (talk) 20:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

There was a redirect to Buenos Aires that did not make sense. Fixed. -- Alexf^(talk) 20:44, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Notable people from Buenos Aires

How does one add to the notable people section without having contributions deleted? I've tried to add to this section of the article from time to time, but my contributions on more than one occasion have been deleted - the most recent being for Lalo Schifrin and Maria Luisa Bemberg.

22:01, 28 July 2018‎ Bayonett talk contribs‎ 192,669 bytes +77‎ →‎Notable people: Added Lalo Schifrin 19:30, 5 August 2018‎ Bayonett talk contribs‎ 194,725 bytes +401‎ →‎Notable people: Re-added Lalo Schifrin after deleted in an earlier edit; cited source for birthplace; organized alphabetically.

These were cited as "mistakes," although I cited sources for my contributions from noteworthy reference books. On one occasion I was chastised that the person might be from Buenos Aires province, not the city, although the sources cited listed their birthplace as the city.

Is there a way to consult with someone about this problem?

It's certainly possible that the sources I've read are incorrect, but when something is deleted more than once and no information is provided as to why, then a lack of cited sources becomes a problem in this situation as well.

In the scheme of things, I'll live if my edits are not accepted, but there seems to be a territory issue afoot here.

Thanks in advance for any advice/insights you can provide.

Bayonett (talk) 21:55, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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NeuralVw blocked as a sock

Doug Weller talk 14:24, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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Infobox

Hi

My edition about Buenos Aires Is reverted with no reason by User:Murgatroyd49, for the other side why other cities like New York City have 10 images in the infobox, and buenos aires couldn't have 10? i request the intervention of User:Bayonett AND others users that are part of the wikiproyect of Argentina to solve the incident.

If the images are too much i purpose add the Constitucion Station cause Is the main railway station of Buenos Aires.

Thanks for the attention. --Christogol (talk) 15:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)--

There was a reason, read the edit summary! It's not just the total number of images, they have to be good images and mean something distinctive to the city. You added a couple of mediocre images of an ornamental lake and a sculpture in the middle distance. I've cropped the latter and re-added it to the box. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Tanks to answer My request the question Is solved. 👍🏽 Christogol (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Christogol 2001:D08:1201:B2CA:1:0:F4B2:C86F (talk) 14:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)