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Untitled

Almost every word in this article is not about the Algonkins themselves, but the wider Algonkian linguistic phylum. I'm therefore going to move it all there and starting more or less from scratch here. QuartierLatin1968 20:17, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

What to do with the Stock paragraph

Argh, I leave this article for a few months and the same issue's cropped up again! The whole paragraph about "Algonquin Stock" is really about Algonquian peoples. The Algonquins are one such people. Honestly! QuartierLatin1968 08:22, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It seems that, outside Wikipedia, there is a fair amount of currency to the usage of "Algonquin" to refer to the larger group. For example, the insert you say is wrong referred to "Algonquin stock", but a Yahoo! search for that phrase finds the Catholic Encyclopedia and several other sites in which it is used in the broader sense: [1], [2], etc.

One source acknowledges the common usage of the term: "The Algonkian Indian, or as it is popularly known Algonquin, population ranged along the middle to northern Atlantic coastline." [3] I've inserted a sentence takng a similar approach. It will help clarify the terms for the reader -- and, as a practical matter, it may lessen the likelihood that the same problem will crop up again in this article. JamesMLane 10:29, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Survey of Anishinaabe-related articles

User:Leo1410 have begun a survey of all thing associated with the Anishinaabe peoples. Please visit (and possibly add, edit) to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe, or from there create a new article. Miigwech CJLippert 05:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism in History section

I just ran a search on a random sentence from the article, and I found one page with an almost identical sentence. The sentence is: "The first group of Algonquian that the French encountered were the Kichesipirini who, because their village was located on an island in the Ottawa River, were called 'La Nation de l'Ilse.'" It came from here (look under Names). --IanTheMacFan 01:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It actually shows up in many places other than in Tolatsga:
Manataka, RootsWeb, and First Nations Environmental Network.
CJLippert 14:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 23:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Religions section

I'm concerned the "Religions" section on the side is incorrect. Even though Europeans brought different religious faith such as Christianity, thousands of reliable sources show that Amerindians (including Algonquins) had and still have their own beliefs. I suggest this section to be updated or deleted. — Enigma55 ^{(talk • email) 06:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)}[reply]

Updated: I guess I'll be bold. The section in question was deleted.

Assessment

I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains a fair amount of detail and organization, but requires clean up, more referencing and in-line citations. I have assessed this as mid importance, as I believe that this topic plays a strong role in the understanding of Canada. Cheers, CP 14:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Culture section

Rather than focusing on Algonquin culture, the section is dominated by descriptions of of European crackpots and their mystical mumbo jumbo. The in-line specification of highlights from Peat's CV (which I'm sure is quite impressive) is one of the hallmarks of fringe pseudoscience. This whole angle on the Algonquin doesn't belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.253.194 (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This paragraph isn't about Algonquin culture. It's a report of some one's impression of some Algonquins' mode of thought. Whether or not Peat wrote knowledgable and authoratatively about Algonquin culture somewhere else, this block quote is about Western philosophy. Quantum philosophy. I think the article is better off without it. -Haikon 11:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation

Could we work on adding some pronunciation help with some of the foreign words in this article? Abhillman (talk) 23:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With Algonquin? With English? With non-Algonquin/non-English? CJLippert (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kickapoo people in Mexico

There are Kickapoo people who ended up in the Mexican states of Coahuila and Sonora; and, therefore, the article limiting their existence to Canada and the United States is wrong. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kikap%C3%BA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.147.236.194 (talk) 18:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Kickapoo are a distinct nation of Algonquian people, meaning they speak an Algonquian language. This article is about the Algonquin, another distinct nation of Algonquian people. Notice that Algonquin and Algonquian are not the same. Leo1410 (talk) 17:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Algonquin people/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

==To do to improve==

streamline the early history (currently in developmnet)
include history from 1750s-1950s (currently mostly missing)
include recent events and current issues
tie article sections to the more generalised Anishinaabe article, or to the Ojibwa article if applicable
better identify first contact Bands and early modern bands, and provide specific links to current First Nations

Last edited at 16:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC). Substituted at 07:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

So-called "Algonquins of Ontario"...

The idea that this article mentions a deal concluded with this fake group, but no mention of the group anywhere else, is fishy as helll. 70.29.99.106 (talk) 11:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'paddy wagons'

Seriously! Can someone please replace this derogatory expression with a more neutral description of the vehicles in question? Grandma Roses (talk) 21:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Non-status communities

Kwey kwey. I have added a brief mention of non-status communities in the lead, since I feel that having no mention of them underplays the importance of Algonquin in the present day, and since the controversy over these communities and their members is itself notable. However, I am not Algonquin and have only passing familiarity with the issues. And I see in the article history not only clearly excessive discussion of the Ardoch community's recent history, but also just a list of non-status communities was present and then removed. So I hope to prompt a discussion how this article could mention non-status communities or at least the controversy surrounding them in a way that is informative and helpful to the general public? I do not wish to reopen a discussion that might already have been had, if applicable, though! Martinp (talk) 23:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Disputed

The accuracy of the sections describing Algonquin history in the 17th century is disputed due to misleading information and because there are no references to reliable secondary sources. "French contact" would benefit from references to a biography of Samuel de Champlain, or to a history of the Jesuits in New France. Missing from this section is Champlain's expedition with the Algonquin against the Haudenosaunee in 1609 and the Battle of Sorel in 1610. Champlain described the Morrison Island home of the Kichesipirini Algonquins not as a fortress but as a collection of "badly-made bark wigwams." The section "French-Indian War/Seven Years' War" is misnamed since it refers to the Beaver Wars in the 17th century rather than to the French and Indian War (Seven Years' War) in the 18th century. Neither the Algonquin or the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) were involved in the surrender of Quebec in 1629. The Jesuits did not arrive in New France until 1625. The Algonquin did not begin to acquire muskets from the French until the 1640s. Griffin's Sword (talk) 18:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]