Talk:Tofu skin

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Initial content of article modified from Tofu etc. Fg2 01:40, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yuba as camping food

Needs citations. It's difficult to find yuba outside of Asian markets (in the US), I'm curious how it could be considered a good camping food. Is camping common/popular in Asia? --Keflavich 17:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

In this case American campers could buy some Yuba. Whitebox 13:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the sentence:

Dried yuba is excellent for camping trips, as a small bag will provide many days of quality protein.

At least in Japan, yuba is not considered to be a camping food. --163.139.215.193 15:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Tofu skin roll ?

No real opinion either way, but I thought the question had to be asked.FlagSteward 13:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Chinese and Japanese

Can we get sections for Chinese and Japanese uses? Badagnani 05:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Bean curd

Why does this redirect here instead of tofu? It shouldn’t, right? —Wiki Wikardo 21:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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Health Claims

In the 'Benefits' claims, I have deleted health claims that are probably unsupportable and certainly dangerous without mention of the serious health risks of soya consumption for many people. I retained the nutritional 'benefits', and the reference, although I don't know whether it was a source for the nutrition information, the health benefits, or both. It was apparently a cookery book, which may be an acceptable reference for nutritional claims, but surely not for health claims.

The deleted claims are benefits that, I think, have been probably established for some ingredients of soy (soya). It is completely out of order (and generally illegal if you're selling the food--depending where, of course) to claim such benefits for a food, especially one like this that is highly modified from the original plant material. Without research that almost certainly has not been attempted, we don't know if the amount of this product that would have to be consumed to achieve any of the benefits could be lethal in other ways.

Even in the USA, where regulation of quackery is appallingly weak (but not as bad as in my own Australia) the FDA has clamped down on scores of companies for illegal use of health claims in marketing their soya products. Please don't let Wikipedia have lower standards. --Alkhowarizmi (talk) 12:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 21:48, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

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Tofu skin → Yuba – Yuba (a Japanese word) is the standard name for this soyfood product the United States and Canada. It is used by all the companies that manufacture yuba in the United States. None of those companies use the term "Tofu skin." I have just finished writing a lengthy scholarly book on the subject, which contains 733 references (mostly in English) - cited on this page - and the term "Tofu skin" appeared only twice in all of the references to that book. The term "Tofu skin" was coined by the writer of a recent Asian cookbook. Using Ngram viewer to compare yuba skin,yuba will demonstrate clearly that the term "tofu skin" is a recently coined and rarely used term - unlike yuba. Moreover yuba has nothing to do with tofu! It is not the skin of tofu and is not made from the skin of tofu. I consider it to be a confusing term that certainly should not be the title of a wikipedia page. Who might object to the name yuba? Perhaps people of Chinese culture who refer to yuba as "beancurd skin." I believe this term is less popular than yuba because is is (1) Unappetizing. (2) Longer than yuba, (3) Inaccurate - again, yuba has nothing to do with tofu except that both are made from soymilk. BillShurts (talk) 19:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• Support - BillShurts' case seems convincing. The article already suffers from a poorly-written lead. JoshuSasori (talk) 22:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose my cursory google search with yuba +food , yuba +soya , yuba +soy, yuba +soybean , yuba +tofu results in minimal results. Since "yuba" is used for a multitude of other uses (such as a place in California), this doesn't seem like the best term to use. "tofu skin" results in many more hits; and even more for bean-curd-skin. bean-curd-sheet ; tofu sheet So it seems to me this should be called beancurd skin. I will note that Yuba is a disambiguation page, and should remain so, whatever this article is called. The place in California comes up more than the food product does. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 00:51, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  This is very odd, I find lots of results for the same search terms with a "cursory google search". In fact "tofu skin" search immediately turns up lots of sites where it is explained that "tofu skin" is "yuba". JoshuSasori (talk) 04:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  And a lot of those search results are for restaurants/etc in Yuba City. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  You are forgetting that Yuba has many different meanings, so a simple search on "yuba" will get you Yuba in California, per ErikHaugen, which is not this food, but instead a place. The food results are swamped by the California results. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 22:17, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

• oppose After confirming the above searches I tried one myself, searching for 'yuba' under shopping and none of the first 100 entries is the foodstuff. Search though for 'bean curd' and the fifth is a beancurd skin product. It makes sense if 'yuba' is a Japanese word as beancurd is primarily a Chinese product so is very unlikely to use a Japanese name.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 01:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  "Tofu" is a Japanese name. A google search for "yuba" immediately finds this product. Why should we use a "shopping" search instead of the standard search? JoshuSasori (talk) 04:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  I used a shopping search as web searches had already been done, and while a web search will turn up all sorts of things, such as historic and foreign sources, searching shopping should find only current uses, especially for food which has a limited shelf life. It's also the sort of speciality food item that is sold online, making me hopeful it would be found under one name or other.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 13:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - where to start? WP:RS, not to mention WP:WORLDVIEW. Sorry but this is one of the worst RM nominations I have ever seen. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per above searches and In ictu oculi's remarks. --Cold Season (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose tofu skin is much easier to be understood literally. --ShootingSky 17:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chengshuotian (talk • contribs)

  What does this mean? Why would it guide article titling decisions? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose—I'm not sure why IIO thinks this is SO bad, but I'm opposing this move request because I don't think there's much chance that this subject is the primary topic for the term "yuba". See Yuba. No argument has been made here that it is the primary topic, in fact. So, if we decide that "yuba" is overwhelmingly the common name for this subject—which is mainly what the nominator is arguing—then we should move the article to perhaps Yuba (food). But we prefer a "natural" disambiguation, ie using the alternate name, so a pretty high bar would have to be met for that move, I think. I would love to see the ngram that the nominator used to compare "yuba" with "tofu skin", I don't know how it would be possible to do that. The fact that tofu skin/yuba has nothing to do with tofu is irrelevant, though; if "tofu skin" is the common name then we want to use "tofu skin". ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. In my experience, I cannot agree that the obscure Japanese term is the standard in the United States and Canada. The meaning of "Tofu skin" is quite intuitive and easy for English readers, while the Japanese word "Yuba" is not. Plus, it is not the primary topic for "Yuba", which is the city, as ErikHaugen says. Shrigley (talk) 19:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose: To someone who's new to the topic, the original title is more explanatory and descriptive. "Tofu skin" is the skin of tofu; what is "Yuba"? I mean, should we rename State Acceptance of Production to Gospriyomka, which is the more commonly used name in Russian (but not English)? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 10:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's called tofu skin. I've only heard the term yuba here on WP; elsewhere I've only seen it called tofu skin. I vote to keep the name, keep a redirect so that yuba (food) continues to point here, keep the yuba disambig page because we need it, and keep an open mind in the event that someday yuba becomes a more popular term, in which case we can reconsider the rename. Peace, Dusty|💬|You can help! 14:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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