Talk:House music

First Original House Composition

The article cites 1984 as being the year of the first original house composition release on record. The article cites the "early 1980s" for the formation of the house sound. But the early 1980s cease in 1984. I have having a discussion with another editor about this. The article on Chicago House states that the first releases of house compositions were in the "mid-to-late 1980s. So, barring influences and precursors which are covered elsewhere in the article, how can the early 1980s be cited for the first compositions AND releases? (81.131.156.109 (talk) 17:40, 6 February 2018 (UTC))

NOW RESOLVED. THANK YOU> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.156.109 (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Cleaning up the House Music section.

The lead section in House Music, Kim Mazelle is listed as an early pioneer when she wasn't on any recording's until the late 80's (1987's House to House produced by Marshall Jefferson). Early pioneers mentioned like Knuckles/Heard/and Phuture in Acid house should be joined by Jesse Saunders (On And On 1984),Dj Ron Hardy, Marshall Jefferson with several tracks on Trax records 85/86, and even Jamie Principle who's "Your Love" had two incarnations in 85-87. Much of this information is already on Wikipedia in various locations including the main article "House Music". This information is also stated in the same way on several articles available on the web as well as interviews and videos. Ghoul922 (talk) 08:23, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Influence of the song "Burnin' Up" by Imagination

According to the Wikipedia page dedicated to Body Talk (Imagination album), the track "Burnin' Up" has been acknowledged by Frankie Knuckles as a key track in the development of house music, and yet nothing is mentioned about it in this page. In fact, if you listen to it, you will find very hard to believe it was recorded in 1981! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.112.122 (talk) 04:12, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Madonna

Hello, I made a change. The original text stated that "Madonna and others 'incorporated House Music into their work'". I changed this to "Madonna and others 'were influenced by House Music'" The original text made it sound like all of House Music became part of Madonna's sound (she incorporated House Music). Feel free to change this back if you think I'm being unreasonable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7d:2654:d700:1977:27ea:4a50:a70f (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Origins of house music.

It is all too common a misconception that house music started in Chicago in the early 80s. In fact house music started in NYC in the mid to late 1970s. Frankie Knuckles worked sound and lights with Larry Levan in the Continental Baths and there he learned to DJ. Tee Scott gave Frankie his first regular gig, Mondays and Tuesdays, at The Better Days. Larry Levan was offered the position of house DJ at the Warehouse in Chicago. When he turned it down, Frankie Knuckles took the position and brought house music to Chicago with him from NYC. Because the genre was new to Chicago and Frankie was working at the Warehouse, people thought "house music" was short for "Warehouse" music or the type of music played at the Warehouse in Chicago. In fact the term "house music" was akin to the term "house salad." It was music that DJs created live on the spot by mixing different record segments together. Out of that came the convention of mixing in only the musical interludes or the "breaks" to which people who take center stage to do a solo dance or "break dance." But that's for another article.

But it all came out of the black gay clubs of NYC in the 1970s such as the Gilded Grape, the Barefoot Boy, the Gallery, the Galaxy 21, the Better Days and later the Limelight, Melons and of course, The Paradise Garage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.111.231 (talk) 21:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I am no expert at all, but I should like to point out that the article focuses a lot on the situation in the USA. But house music was also known in europe and from "our" point of view we had disco-music (from the 1980s), electro-synth/pop, then eurodance, techno and rave - and some of the latter two in particular also seemed to "transitioned" into their own "brand" of house music. I have recently heared a documentation (or rather statements) that one branch of house music here (in europe) originated from the older italo-discoy music. So while the above discussion may be perfectly correct (or not), I think the definition AND the whole article, is too US centric. There is more than one music hotspot in this world. 2A02:8388:1604:CA80:30D1:92B6:15A6:A5F0 (talk) 18:45, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

The emergence of the technology used to make house music and its influence on the genre clearly marks the era in which the sound was devised. All precursors - including the examples cited - are covered in the 'influences and precursors' section'. (86.176.53.155 (talk) 01:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC))

House Music

House Music is Not a genre of electronic dance music, is Not relative with any way with electronic music. 109.242.169.64 (talk) 10:04, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Troll comment... it's obviously electronic dance music 76.187.215.109 (talk) 16:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

House is a genre of Electronic Music entirely, which bothers you that it is considered "EDM" just because the term has been used to mean more commercial electronic music, is something else ... GtRyz (talk) 02:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Removing the big "references" template

I don't think this article has a major problem regarding references anymore. A few statements here and there could need better referencing, but most of the text is really quite okay and very well referenced. So, I'd suggest to remove that global template at the top of the article, and work with the more precise templates (or reference templates in singular sections, if neccessary) instead. If nobody vetoes, I'd wait for two days and then do it. WilhelmSchneider (talk) 10:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I'll go for it then, as there was no veto. WilhelmSchneider (talk) 07:33, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

2 @Binksternet: on his "ballroom is something else"

To explain it a bit, "ballroom" or "vogue" is a style/genre of music typical for gay vogue culture in NY. It is not related at all to European ballrooms of the classical era, this gay subculture just borrowed the name. The music they do is mostly a specific offshot of house with unique vocal delivery (vogue commentary). Here is a source on ball culture and its music (extremelly reliable, I beg to notice): https://www.nme.com/features/story-of-vogue-and-ball-culture-ballroom-drag-race-rupaul-3057040. Relevant excerpt: " The scene mostly thrived off of popular house tracks with that attitude synonymous with ballroom, and MFSB seemed to be the first recognised house track to start the voguing trend." There are more reliable sources on vogue/ballroom music, including documentaries, which basically say the same, so how is "ballroom" "something else"? 178.121.33.109 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Binksternet:, more than that, you have removed mention of "ballroom" from description of Drake's album, after you "trimmed excessive sources". Among those "excessive sources" you removed was a NYT review of "Honestly nevermind": https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/19/arts/music/drake-honestly-nevermind-review.html, and this review specifically refers to ballroom flavours, so to say, in "Honestly nevermind". Relevant excerpt from NYT review: "Drake fully embraces the dance floor here, making house music that also touches on Jersey club, Baltimore club, ballroom and Amapiano". You removed that reliable source together with mention of ballroom. Then you removed "ballroom" from derivatives as well. Why? 178.121.33.109 (talk) 17:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

No mention of Sasha & John Digweed??

Both pioneers of Progressive House (Digweed in particular) circa late 90's early 00's. 218.101.97.214 (talk) 17:05, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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House is Not Disco

In the annals of pop music history, the influences flow from soul to disco to house and so on. Many are the influences. To state that House was a 're-emergence of 1970s disco' is a very strange thing to find in the opening paragraph of a Wikipedia page on House Music. House was and is not disco, the evolution of the style and its precursors are well covered in the article. But this strange tendency by some editors to continually 'big note' the 1970s is ridiculous. 'Four on the floor' did not originate in the 1970s or with disco either.

(86.146.100.253 (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC))

Agree and will take look later this evening. Ceoil (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I have removed the comment as it seems very misleading, but I would be grateful if a regular Wiki editor would look into it. I'm a rare visitor here, but the comment immediately made my eyes boggle with tremendous surprise. I lived through and loved the Disco and House eras, they are closely linked and the influences (as with Soul for both of them) are obvious, but anybody listening to early House could not state as a matter of objective fact that House was simply a re-emergence of Disco.

(86.146.100.253 (talk)) 86.146.100.253 (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)