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List of battles between Israel and the Philistines was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 13 March 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Philistines. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Philistine Cities

The beginning of the page does not include Jaffa as a Philistine city that was mentioned by the Bible, contradicting Jaffa's own Wikipedia page. Just wanted to call attention to this!

Map of Philistine Cities too Hard to Read

We could use a revised version of the map showing Philistine cities. The names are illigible. NorieNC (talk) 21:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Era style

@Tombah, Yezohs, and Demetrios1993: Should this article use BCE or BC? There have been some recent edits trying to change the page from one style to another, but as can be seen in this diff, there was no consistent style to begin with. Both styles were used in different parts of the page.

Personally I support using BCE in this case, since it's more secular and the topic has nothing specific to do with Christianity. Also, recent archaeological and historical sources generally use BCE. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 11:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Trilletrollet: This article has been using BC since it first included a dating system in 2002. Per MOS:ERA and MOS:VAR, I don't think we should change the existing style. Potatín5 (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Potatín5: According to MOS:ERA: An article's established era style should not be changed without reasons specific to its content; seek consensus on the talk page first (applying Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Retaining existing styles) by opening a discussion under a heading using the word era, and briefly stating why the style should be changed. I'm actually just following the guideline here by opening a discussion.

Again, recent scholarly sources about the Philistines, and the ancient Near East in general, tend to use BCE. That includes the sources used in this article too. And parts of the page have been using BCE for several years now (at least since 2016), so there has clearly been no strong consensus to use BC in this article. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 21:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support BCE as well Yezohs (talk) 12:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, i am indifferent as to which era style we are going to use. Personally, i tend to prefer BCE–CE. Having said that, i reverted User:Zime2005 because the BC–AD era style appeared as established, and they didn't provide any reason whatsoever for changing it; even after i informed them of the relevant guideline. They did the same in Pericles and Template:Timeline of Pericles' life. Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It has been over 24 hours, and there is apparently a weak consensus to use BCE (or at least no consensus against it). Thanks for the comments —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 12:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The MOS:ERA states, as mentioned above by @Potatín5, that an articles should not be changed without reasons specific to it's content. This article was established as a BC/AD article and we should refrain from changing the ERA style to avoid a revert war. To address @Trilletrollet statement about this article having "nothing to do with Christianity" the BC/AD era notations are not only used for dating Christian events, it has been a widely used secular dating system for many centuries. If no one has a compelling argument to change the ERA from BC/AD i will revert the incorrect change as per the Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Retaining existing styles article. Paokara777 (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Via Maris and Significance

This article undermines the true significance of the Philistines. From their mass trading with the Phoenecians and Egyptians to their control of the Via Maris trade route. Not only that, but their significance was very influential that the name Palestine for the region is derived from them. They were an advanced and sophisticated peoples, known for their complex naval systems like the Phoenecians. They also wer eome of the first civilizations to invent a monetary system.Nickal06 (talk) 02:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Philistine material culture

I'd love to see Philistine material culture as an independent article. Temerarius (talk) 00:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why past tense.

The Filistines are described as being “gone”, aren’t they the modern day Palestinians? 2603:7000:1E07:D153:4DBB:EF9:3C80:FF8F (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not. It’s a Palestinian myth created to challenge Jewish historical claim. Palestinians are mostly Jewish converts mixed with Peninsular Arabs that came during Muslim conquest of the Levant. 2A00:F41:18CB:EBCE:4D35:E076:1F00:C87F (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of Palestine Reference

The etymology of Palestine is unclear and could have similar etymology to Israel, not Philistine as this article states.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/is-palestine-the-ancient-greek-name-for-the-children-of-israel/

https://www.academia.edu/40401451/Palestine_and_Israel

The source provided, etymonline, is considered not definitive.

"is cited in academic work as a useful, though not definitive, reference for etymology."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Etymology_Dictionary

I propose the reference to Palestine's etymology be removed Factchecker170 (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]