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I've recently seen some large changes on the way the list of all novels and other media is displayed (including blanket deletion). Should it be listed in the infobox or redirected? New here so looking for guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquidm71 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not familiar enough with Dune to do this, but can we please get all the books in one table on the main page, along with the name of the author, publication date etc? And we can divide the tables into different sections like "original series" and "prequel series", since that seems to be a thing in Dune. Thanks. 49.47.2.115 (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prose is generally preferred to tables in articles. Also in this case, the franchise article is already very large and a table would take up a lot of space. That said, a standalone list of works might be useful since there are so many, and readers are accustomed to these sort of lists. Give me some time and I'll put something together. Thanks.— TAnthonyTalk15:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the text making up the franchise article would be replaced by the table. Like the following lines:
A sequel, Dune Messiah, followed in 1969. A third novel called Children of Dune was published in 1976, and was later nominated for a Hugo Award. Children of Dune became the first hardcover best-seller ever in the science fiction field.
They don't need to be there if a table is conveying the same information. Making articles in this format feels super clumsy to read. Tables and lists and generally better and easier. If the franchise article being too large is the problem, the table could also potentially be split up into multiple articles. Just some suggestions from a non-editor. 49.47.2.115 (talk) 04:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per the MOS, prose is preferred to lists/tables. And even if you take out all the prose about the books, the structure of the table takes up more room. And is weird in the middle of an article full of (necessary) prose. Plus we're talking about 20 novels.— TAnthonyTalk05:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not fully familiar with wikipedia editing rules and such, but even if the rules say that prose is preferred, in this case where there's like 20 novels, I'd say that a table/list is even more necessary. If it were like one or two novels, sure, I can understand that a list or table is hardly necessary, and with a small paragraph you can save some room on the page. But with 20 novels, it would be ideal to have like a brief leadup section where we see all the novels listed in a table, and then we can have more detailed sections after that with the proses and what not, to cover more information. A lot of readers would prefer just being able to have a quick rundown of what all is included in any given franchise, and since that's happened just about everywhere else, like the MCU, LOTR, MI and others, I feel like Dune should get that treatment too, or at least have a page where we can get something like that, if not on the main page. I don't understand how any of this prose is necessary, but that's just because I'm not fully familiar with Dune. Not saying you're wrong, just explaining my point of view. You're a more experienced wikipedia editor, and probably know more about Dune, so my POV is just that of an outsider just letting you know how other outsiders might think. 49.47.2.115 (talk) 08:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
