Talk:Honolulu University

Dipoma mill?

• Listed on List of diploma mills, is it or not, if wikipedia isn't trustworthy how can this list work, it may have been maliciously added to it, protect the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.224.17 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 24 May 2005

This "university" is a rubbish one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tldai (talk • contribs) 09:45, 5 July 2006

• Lately there is a tendency to call every experimental and/or unaccredited institution of higher learning a diploma mill, while the situation in reality is far more complex. There are legitimate unaccredited non-traditional schools out there, although (for purely practical reasons and as a result of experience) I would not recommend anyone to get involved with one. In the case of Honolulu University it seems that at one time they at least were a legitimate school with legitimate ambitions. I inquired with ICDE, the "International Council for Open and Distance Education" in Norway, where Honolulu University claims membership. As of today the information is that the School was an institutional member until 2005 and apparently matched the criteria for institutional members. ICDE is a legitimate UNESCO Organization providing services around distance learning programmes. Although Hon. Univ, tries to indicate the opposite by means of clever wording, they are NOT in any way an accrediting body, but Diploma Mills certainly are not accepted as institutional members. I did not receive any information about the reason for the cessation of membership. At the same time I also obtained a status report from the Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection, and they provided a "Certificate of good standing" as a nonprofit organization for the year of 2009. It also stated that it was incorporated in Hawaii on February 3, 1987. The entity appears controversial, and the academic policies are somewhat foggy, but I would not go so far to actually call it a Diploma Mill. That would require more evidence. As far as I understand Hawaiian law Diploma Mills are not allowed to operate in the state anymore since a minimum of 25 full time resident students are required to keep operating a school. (sources: Website of the Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection, personal Communication with ICDE staff)). I also removed the link to the "Clarion LEdger" article on Diploma Mills since the link is dead. Wassermensch 17:22 CET, 18 August 2009

• I further looked into the topic and found that the University of Hawaii - one of the best state universities - now operates an extensive distance learning program for Hawaii residents(see: http://www.hawaii.edu/dl/). This means that there is absolutely no reason for Hawaii students - neither in terms of costs nor in terms of quality - to enroll with an unaccredited private institution in Hawaii. At the same time the state requires private DL schools to have at least 25 full time students from the state. This seems a difficult thing to achieve now. Why would anyone get involved with an unaccredited institution when an excellent and affordable fully accredited state university offers the same thing - and even with more advanced technology and a first rate faculty? I only see one potential reason: when it is easier. Wassermensch 12:11 CET, 22 August 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 10:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC).

The Texas Law Is Unconstitutional

Since a similar law in Florida was declared unconstitutional, precedent indicates that the Texas Law against "using" these degrees is unconstitutional. Degrees obtained from Honolulu University would be illegal to use in the State of Texas if it were not for the constitutional right of freedom of speech, as affirmed by STRANG v. SATZ 884 F.Supp. 504 (1995). It would appear that if a person has a degree from an unaccredited university, he retains the constitutional right to publish that he has said degree from said university. (EnochBethany (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC))

Haven't been here for a long time... it strikes me then that the entire paragraph is pretty nonsensical. It is a non-information that something would be the case if it weren't for another de-facto circumstance. Apparently the court decisions strengthen the somewhat common sense view that a private institution not accredited by another private institution does not automatically render it illegal. I'm going to remove the paragraph. Discussions welcome. (Wassermensch 11:27, 08 May 2017 (CET)

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