User talk:Paul W

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Paul W,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

• There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
• Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
• Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
• This user script puts a link to the feed in your top toolbar.

Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

Reminders

• Newsletter feedback - please take this short poll about the newsletter.
• If you're interested in instant messaging and chat rooms, please join us on the New Page Patrol Discord, where you can ask for help and live chat with other patrollers.
• Please add the project discussion page to your watchlist.
• If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be a reviewer, please ask any admin to remove you from the group. If you want the tools back again, just ask at PERM.
• To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Paul W,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

Reminders

• Newsletter feedback - please take this short poll about the newsletter.
• There is live chat with patrollers on the New Page Patrol Discord.
• Please add the project discussion page to your watchlist.
• If you no longer wish to be a reviewer, please ask any admin to remove you from the group. If you want the tools back again, just ask at PERM.
• To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Paul W,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

Reminders

• Newsletter feedback - please take this short poll about the newsletter.
• There is live chat with patrollers on the New Page Patrol Discord and #wikimedia-npp ^connect on IRC.
• Please add the project discussion page to your watchlist.
• To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

Disambiguation link notification for February 15

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Natalie Campbell (social entrepreneur), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page The Telegraph.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 18:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Stan Bowles

On 29 February 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Stan Bowles, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 06:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ivor Chipkin has been accepted

Ivor Chipkin, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Paul W (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report Our 2023 Annual Report is now ready for review. Highlights: Introduction Membership news, obituary and election results Summary of Drives, Blitzes and the Requests page Closing words – Your Guild coordinators: Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For your work on Raymond Allen Hare getting it out of draft stage - it's efforts like that which make Wikipedia far more welcoming to first time editors. Chapeau! Goldsztajn (talk) 10:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 22

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Stockport County F.C., you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Canada national football team.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft article review

Thank you for your copyedits to my draft article Draft:Kerissa Khan. Is the draft ready to be published? As you saw, I added a "statement of interest" at the top - link to the specific edit - in order that it can be referenced in a specific box on the talkpage by the draft's reviewer (I did the same when I wrote a previous article, see: Talk:Solaris_(solar_power). Ennegma (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ennegma. I think the article needs to be fleshed out a bit more to give some details of Khan's employment history since graduating. I see from her LinkedIn profile (not a reliable source) that she worked at Safran for over seven years - if this and other details (dates, plus some clarification over the chronology of full-time roles, voluntary roles, etc) can be sourced elsewhere, I think it will be good to go. Also citing her as the youngest RAeS Council member begs the question 'how old' (year of birth?). Paul W (talk) 13:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello user:Paul W. I too had looked at the LinkedIn profile, for other possible places to find references, but didn't find any publicly available sources for previous jobs [like Safran] other than "self-published" (like this https://twitter.com/kerissa_k/status/1020010424954163200 ) or things which were re-publications of the same text used in footnotes I have already used. I also would have liked to add more biographical details but, other than the consistently referenced fact about 'youngest', I did find in the Newsday article that "she did not reveal her age". If that's the case, then I think it's fair the biography article can use the referenced statement of "youngest council member" without also having to pry into personal details she doesn't wish to share. I would like to add more but as I've said in the "statement of interests" I've never yet talked the subject of this biography directly. Perhaps once the article is "up" then it would be possible for me to request more references, including a portrait photograph. But meanwhile, I know it's not a long or big article - but I believe that Wikipedia's minimum criteria are met already with this biography. She is the holder of an important position in her field, with matching footnotes. I don't think that the lack of detail of her earlier career or her age is an impediment to this being a valid "stub" sized article in its current state. Do you agree? Ennegma (talk) 14:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

After a bit of expansion, I have approved and published the article as a stub. Paul W (talk) 14:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Now that it is public, it possible to request sources for other biographical details. Ennegma (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

No problem, Ennegma. In seeking additional information, remember verifiability: that "other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source": any portrait photo will normally need a Creative Commons license. Paul W (talk) 15:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Page Review

Hi sir @Paul W, Hope your doing good, If Possible can you please copyedit and review this draft article Draft:Sreshth Movies. Sorry for bothering you, Thanks in advance ~~ Nss999 (talk) 16:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nss999. I have done a quick copy edit. However, I don't have sufficient knowledge of Indian cinema and media to be able to adequately review the article and the reliability of its sources. Paul W (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

Hello Paul W,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.

Reminders:

• You can access live chat with patrollers on the New Pages Patrol Discord.
• Consider adding the project discussion page to your watchlist.
• To opt out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Request on 14:52:50, 10 April 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Thewikibeagles

• Thewikibeagles (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:John O. Lyle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I would like to contact the Editor Paul W to see how to improve the John O. Lyle (Draft) article. Perhaps he has said all he wants, but if he would care to engage in a dialogue I would like to improve my editing and "page-making" skills for "John O. Lyle", if it can reasonably be included, but also for other future wikipedia work. thewikibeaglesThewikibeagles (talk)

Thewikibeagles (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, User:Thewikibeagles, I discovered the draft article on John O. Lyle through my activity in AfC reviews (it also grabbed my attention as I created the Wikipedia article on Saxon Tate in 2016; I also live not far from T&L's Silvertown plant). Happy to help on improvements to this and to offer other assistance as needed (in addition to being an editor, I am a volunteer Wikimedia UK accredited trainer). Best wishes. Paul W (talk) 15:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

John O. Lyle

Hello Paul! I am so delighted to see your comments. With my negligible wikipedia skills I have gone about as far as I can with the John O. Lyle page, I wonder whether you could take it on, and make it like the Saxon Tate page. I am in touch with Tim and Juiet Lyle, and indirectly with Wendy, so anything you need from them will be available. Do let me know what you think! Jonty (alias thewikibeagles)

Hi, Jonty / User:Thewikibeagles. During my edits of the Draft:John O. Lyle article, I obviously looked at some of the sourcing, and - as mentioned in the comment - thought "John O. Lyle, an Appreciation" looked interesting. Is this published somewhere? I imagine I might be able to find a Who's Who in my local library, but are there any other published articles about him - obituaries, maybe? Paul W (talk) 12:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Paul, Thank you for the help. How can I get a book and "An Appreciation" to you? I would like to send them, but I am apprehensive about names and emails and so on a publicly available post. Any suggestions for establishing contact privately? Jonty PS I would like to put you in touch with Juliet and Tim if you are not already. Thewikibeagles (talk) 10:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Jonty / User:Thewikibeagles, if you go to my user page here, you should see in your left hand navigation an option to "Email this user". That will enable you to contact me off-wiki. Best wishes. Paul W (talk) 15:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the April 2024 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing. Election results: In our December 2023 coordinator election, Zippybonzo stepped down as coordinator; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators will open on 1 June (UTC). Drive: 46 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 32 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 289 articles totaling 626,729 words. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 23 editors signed up for our February Copy Editing Blitz. 18 claimed at least one copy-edit and between them, they copy-edited 100,293 words in 32 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 53 editors signed up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive, 34 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 300 articles totaling 587,828 words. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: Sign up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 14 to 20 April. Barnstars will be awarded here. Progress report: As of 23:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 109 requests since 1 January 2024, and the backlog stands at 2,480 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive

New Page Patrol | May 2024 Articles Backlog Drive
On 1 May 2024, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Each review will earn 1 point. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
You're receiving this message because you are a new page patroller. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Susanna (Susi) Tegen - draft

Hi Paul W

I have made significant changes to the copy and citation of this submission, and I'm hoping this is now more suitable and acceptable as a Wikipedia article. If not, any advice you can offer specifically would be most appreciated. Thank you.

@CloeyDeb

CloeyDeb (talk) 06:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi User:CloeyDeb. I have had another look and in my view it still doesn't include sufficient material to satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria. I have spent some time trying to rectify some of the most serious issues - bare URL references, external links in the copy and promotional waffle - but some of the latter remains ("Tegen has ascribed her knowledge and expertise across partnerships, leadership, and public relations in health, diplomacy, education, agribusiness, primary industry, and economic development to bridge the gap between rural and urban services access." - the sentence doesn't even make sense). Several references make only passing mentions of Tegen, and the article also relies heavily on NRHA and similar employer-derived sources (unreliable). What is needed is significant coverage about her in reliable, independent, secondary sources with reputations for accuracy and fact checking. The final two references look promising (though I can't access the paywalled Australian article), but, frankly, I think I have spent enough time on trying to improve the draft. Sorry, but I have tried.... Paul W (talk) 17:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to help. I'm currently deep diving into understanding how Wikipedia works and how I use it. I appreciate the extensive advice that you've supplied above, it helps. So thank you. I'm sure I'll get better at recognising Notability, and I'm also starting to understand more about significant coverage. What you've outline for me is great. CloeyDeb (talk) 08:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. Let me know if I can be of further help. Paul W (talk) 13:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

:-) CloeyDeb (talk) 03:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Copyright & New Page Patrol concerns

I'm not going to template you for this, but the page Msunduzi Municipal Library recently showed up on copy patrol due to issues with WP:CLOP and blatant copying and pasting. Because, let's be clear, including full phrases such as "kicked off a train in Pietermaritzburg in an act of racial discrimination in 1893" in your edit from this site [1] isn't just close paraphrasing.

I've warned the person who made the page & introduced the foundational copyvio, but I'm surprised that A) you apparently didn't check for copyright violations and B) you added more yourself. I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to ping @Diannaa because I see she's warned you before about close paraphrasing [2] [3]. I'm hoping this was just a one-time mistake, but, give the New Page Patrol aspect of the incident, I think you know why I'm concerned. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for raising your concerns, GreenLipstickLesbian. I have always been conscious of copyright issues and have tried to paraphrase as much as possible, with very occasional oversights. However, I clearly failed with the extract from the Ghandi-related news story. Apologies.

As I hope you will have seen from the article's history, I spent some considerable time searching for additional information from new sources and making relevant additions. I hadn't finished my work on the article and was intending to research further points and check sources when you started your interventions. I now appreciate, with the benefit of hindsight, I shouldn't have marked the page as reviewed from a NPP point of view when I did, but waited until after I'd completed my detailed audit/edit. Paul W (talk) 22:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

While I have had some of the sources still readily available in my browser tabs, I have tried to rewrite the excised content to fill the gaps created in the library's history. Paul W (talk) 22:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Michael Stewart (writer, UK)

Sorry about the edit conflict: I was doing far too much in one long edit, and when I found the edit conflict I confusedly thought you were the original article creator hence my rather arrogant "think my version probably better". But I always find edit conflicts difficult to resolve, even with the supposedly-improved system. I hope you hadn't put a lot of effort into changes which disagreed with mine.

I do wonder whether the article creator has a COI - they know the birth date, which is often a worry. Their sourcing is pretty poor, the article will need a better title, etc, but the chap does seem genuinely notable: Guardian reviews etc. PamD 15:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem, PamD. I was just doing some minor and routine tidying (I tend to jump in and address repeated single issues - like family name use - then save). I did wonder about COI too, but felt it could be an enthusiastic student. Yes, is probably notable, just needs more sources throughout.... Paul W (talk) 16:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Help with request review

Hi @Paul W, I hope all is well. I am a Conflict of Interest editor who has made a request at Talk:David Adjaye, and as an editor who has contributed to the page on numerous occasions recently and has an interest in architecture, I was wondering whether you would mind assessing the changes I have put forward. Thank you! Mewedmuse (talk) 08:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Mewedmuse. I have replied on the David Adjaye Talk page. (Apologies for the delayed reply there - I was away from home). Paul W (talk) 09:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Good afternoon @Paul W. I just wanted to say I really appreciate you taking the time to consider and implement my requested changes.

I have replied to one outstanding point and I look forward to hearing your opinion whenever you have the time! Mewedmuse (talk) 14:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Replied on Adjaye Talk page. Paul W (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Naming references

Please note that there is no need in naming references which are only used once. GiantSnowman 14:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Noted. I know I overdo it, but it's kind of 'belt and braces', trying to future-proof referencing where, for example, there are multiple citations of BBC Sport articles. I will refrain in other instances going forward. Best wishes. Paul W (talk) 15:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Lewis Nolan (footballer)

Hello, Paul W. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Lewis Nolan (footballer), a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 00:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Updated article with school information from published source. Paul W (talk) 13:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors June 2024 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2024 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the June 2024 newsletter, a quarterly-ish digest of Guild activities since April. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election news: Wanted: new Guild coordinators! If you value and enjoy the GOCE, why not help out behind the scenes? Nominations for our mid-year coordinator election are now open until 23:59 on 15 June (UTC). Self-nominations are welcome. Voting commences at 00:01 on 16 June and continues until 23:50 on 30 June. Results will be announced at the election page. Blitz: Nine of the fourteen editors who signed up for the April 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 55,853 words comprising twenty articles. Barnstars awarded are available here. Drive: 58 editors signed up for our May 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive and 33 of those completed at least one copy edit. 251 articles and 475,952 words were copy edited. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: Our June 2024 Copy Editing Blitz will begin on 16 June and finish on 22 June. Barnstars awarded will be posted here. Progress report: As of 05:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC) , GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests since 1 January and the backlog stands at 2,779 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

I think you made a mistake with Draft:William Curtin

He easily passes WP:NACADEMIC:

• h-factor of 90 which is strong for his area

• The Guggenheim is a major awards
• Editor in chief of a journal. While perhaps not a massive one, I add to the other indications if peer recognition/notability.

I thought I should ping you first to explain as it looks like you applied the general notability criteria. The prior declination was right, but the changes up to June 10 rectified this. N.B., comments as an impartial third party. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Ldm1954. I made an error in not looking closely enough at the Guggenheim award, while also being cautious about citations of Google Scholar scores ("... Google Scholar provide results that are more likely to be reliable sources, but only if these hits are able to be verified and are reliable sources by reading the articles or books." WP:GNUM); some examples of the reliable sources (a "Key publications" section maybe) would be a useful addition. Paul W (talk) 18:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Interpreting h-factors is tricky, see for instance the (endless) discussions at WT:Notability (academics). I, and most others I know who review academics use it as part of the proof. I also only review those where I have some knowledge so are comfortable.

Thanks for reverting Ldm1954 (talk) 18:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: William Curtin has been accepted

William Curtin, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Paul W (talk) 18:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mikheil Lomtadze (June 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SafariScribe was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Mikheil Lomtadze and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Paul W! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 17:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Paul W, I saw you trimmed this draft before submitting, but being honest, there is a bit little to do. While every article must be written from a neutral point of view, I think, you should help clean it totally as there are many promotional tone used. That should be done before being published. I think you plan on doing that, however, I will try my cleaning and you do the rest. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, User:SafariScribe, I think it needs some input from the article creator (User:Veronika.polichshuk) - perhaps some context relating to Kaspi and to reduce the refbombing about the award? I tried to do a bit of a clean-up to remove the most blatant promotional content (I was mainly interested because of the subject's UK football connection to Wycombe Wanderers - ordinarily, I wouldn't have spent so much time on a business BLP). Paul W (talk) 18:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I just discovered the creator has not edited for a while now, so I am taking up the draft. Thanks for your efforts thought it's appreciated. I know it may have been G11 if not for your clean up. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

History edit for ASG

Hi Paul W. I see you are a participant in Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies/Participants so perhaps you might be interested in taking a look at an edit request I recently posted on the Talk page of Avia Solutions Group, a company associated with the aviation industry. It is an easy edit, just adding one short paragraph to the History section as an update. Thank in advance. ~~~~ Agne for ASG (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

RNLB Sir William Arnold (ON 1025)

Hi, in your recent edit summary for the above, you claim to have added a reference but there is none, did you forget to add it? regards Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I did, now re-added it. Paul W (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2024 Tour de France

On 25 July 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2024 Tour de France, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John O. Lyle has been accepted

John O. Lyle, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Paul W (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

New pages patrol September 2024 Backlog drive

New pages patrol | September 2024 Backlog Drive
On 1 September 2024, a one-month backlog drive for new pages patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Each article review will earn 1 point, and each redirect review will earn 0.2 points. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
You're receiving this message because you are a new page patroller. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of The Peel Club

Paul, having read your remarks, you have claimed that The Peel Club and Peel Club Glasgow were unrelated things, which is patently untrue. The source from the 1836 Proceedings document shows that the GUCA actually got their own naming incorrect, and that I was right to amend it. I am astonished that such a brief and superficial view of the Talk page details were unheeded, and that the full page and full sources were not read, because it seems many of you editor work on quantity of work, not quality. The delete guy who swept round to remove the page today literally has a whole user profile of solely going around deleting. How strange? Here, you were wrong, as were your hasty comrades. Hellenistic accountant (talk) 20:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hellenistic accountant. By the end of the seven-day AfD review period, multiple editors had backed the original nominator; you were the only editor contesting the deletion. It seems your very recent Talk page addition therefore went largely unnoticed apart from by me. The closing administrator/editor will have evaluated the AfD discussion to see if there was a consensus (see WP:CLOSEAFD). As with other areas of Wikipedia administration, there will be a large backlog of decisions, limiting time for lengthy reviews. I still think the sourcing was unreliable, and that the 1836 and modern-day Peel Clubs are insufficiently related.

It may also be too soon (see WP:TOOSOON). The new Peel Club might become more clearly notable in the future, as new significant coverage in reliable sources is published. If so, you could then create and submit a new article. In the meantime, why not edit other articles and develop your Wikipedia knowledge and skills? Happy editing! Paul W (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Have just seen this reply now, it wasn't linking before. The sources are UK Parliament which is the Government, University of Glasgow, two books from 1836 and 1840 which are the original club documents, alongside two other sources where one is written by an historian and their preference for a blog website rather than company one is another matter. 80% of the page was wholly met by the criteria of notability and high quality sources, so it should have been shelved on draft and not deleted given that the contest was about the newer club that was a sub-detail on the page. Only the matter of new club versus old club was left for dispute, which had you checked the legal test of re-formation and the new club's website, you'd see it was indeed carrying on the same legacy for the same reasons; had the historical archive to back it up, documents and the same mission statement as well; all which under existing social paradigms and civic rule of Western democracies amount to legitimacy. As for my edits on Glasgow University Conservative Association, the founding documents of the club (cited) show the naming of it as "The Peel Club" and not "Peel Club", which I made clear in that edit. The links I made to Robert Peels page was also justified given he was the patron of the club! The earlier, subpar versions of the page were inferior and did need serious improvement, but in the last 24hrs those issues were solved and a great page was made that had the most legitimate sources possible: transcripts from UK Parliament in session on The Peel Club controversy, and then University history plus digitised manuscripts on Google Books of originals. This should have been more slowly checked out and the Talk page read into. Hellenistic accountant (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September Newsletter Hello and welcome to the September newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. Election news: Project coordinators play an important role in our WikiProject. Following the mid-year Election of Coordinators, we welcomed Mox Eden to the coordinator team. Dhtwiki remains as Lead Coordinator, and Miniapolis and Wracking returned as assistant coordinators. If you'd like to help out behind the scenes, please consider taking part in our December election – watchlist our ombox for updates. Information about the role of coordinators can be found here. Blitz: 13 of the 24 editors who signed up for the June 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 169,404 words comprising 41 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 38 of the 59 editors who signed up for the July 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 482,133 words comprising 293 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 10 of the 15 editors who signed up for the August 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 71,294 words comprising 31 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: Sign up here to earn barnstars in our month-long, in-progress September Backlog Elimination Drive. Progress report: As of 05:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 233 requests since 1 January, and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,824 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we do without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Mox Eden and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

Message sent by Baffle gab1978 (talk) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Cruttwell

On 29 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Edward Cruttwell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after supervising construction of London's Tower Bridge in the 1890s, engineer Edward Cruttwell was retained as consulting engineer to the bridge until his death in 1933? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Cruttwell. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Edward Cruttwell), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Max Conway moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Max Conway. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because of the reasons raised at the AfD in which you participated. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Star Mississippi 13:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Katy Krassner

Hi. I noticed that you declined my article Draft:Katy Krassner. I have made a number of revisions as well as adding a citation and hope you will reconsider moving this article to the mainspace. I will note that other music industry executives who work with a single artist already have articles on WP. These include Tree Paine and Derek Taylor. Please note that the article on Tree Paine only has 13 citations. Variety312 (talk) 19:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Variety312. I see that another editor (Timtrent) has recently declined the article (I would have done the same). The main issue is lack of significant coverage about Krassner (ie: in-depth articles about her - not just articles with trivial mentions); Tree Paine has multiple reliable sources with significant coverage, Krassner does not. The number of citations is immaterial - it's quality, not quantity of sources, that matters. Paul W (talk) 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Request on 17:58:55, 18 October 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Clown Atlas

• Clown Atlas (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Christopher M. Garrity (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I would like someone without a political agenda that has NOT been hired by a person with special interests to review. Also Google lists him as a notable candidate for the office of the united states of America for President. This is GOOGLE finding him notable with a simple search. All other citations are from OUTSIDE credible sources. thank you. I have a list of all screen shots of all the mismatching, contradicting Wikipedias core terms of truthfulness as well as its primary statement of objectivity. Which I am not seeing at this moment on this platform in regards to this important topic. Having a platform that is only held together and or have any validity due to transparency, and unbiased information. We have plenty of other platforms that openly admit they have financial reasons to be biased. Has Wiki fallen to its most recent concerns about finances? I did a lot of work on this NOTABLE candidate for the office of US President. Please revise or advise how to circumvent this oppressive, suppressive negative feedback loop I keep ending up in here at Wiki. Thank you for your kind response and assistance!Clown Atlas (talk) 17:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Clown Atlas. Your message suggests past editors/reviewers of the Garrity article have been hired according to a political agenda. I can seen no evidence of this (FYI, I live in the UK and have only a passing interest in US Presidential elections).

Google searches are irrelevant to Wikipedia notability - what Wikipedia needs (per WP:GNG) is significant coverage of the subject (in this case, naming Garrity) in reliable, independent, secondary sources. Wikipedia has five core pillars (WP:5P) of which the second (neutral point of view; WP:5P2) is perhaps most relevant here - in particular "All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy with citations based on reliable sources, especially when the topic is controversial or is about a living person". We have demanding objective standards, but this article does not yet meet those standards.

Also, please look at recent edits highlighting statements requiring citations of reliable sources. Unless these are addressed, the draft will likely continue to be rejected. Paul W (talk) 02:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok asking genuinely and honestly. How can a person who has access to the Majorty vote of 1/3 of our nation and all the other unique notable things about someone. Unique by definition means it hasn't been done yet, well how the heck can you do it the morally uncorrupt way walking the walk if no one will let you be seen? Then it can never happen. With his name the ONLY person under Independents to be actual candidates on the list in Oklahoma this is absolutely notable. This has been a huge problem with deception in our system. I emailed Oklahoma Voter directly kindly asking if they planned to remove Kennedys name off the ballot since he publically withdrew as a candidate and then backed someone from another party. Their response was no. I was shocked and pointed out how this is not clear and transparent government and of course I was ignored. Im just trying to do what our country tells us is the right thing to do stand up for what you believe in and I so desperately want to believe that hope in good still exists. I believe very much after exhaustive research into this person that he has a very notable and real vision with action behind him. I believe his is being quieted because if the world knew he existed it would be a no brainer for this election. Oklahoma understands as I pointed out how allowing his name is like double dipping and mindblowing to me. If people see his name on the ballot they may not know that he withdrew and is a blatant deception of ligitamate candidates. I am not trying to take this out on anyone here but wow it doesn't matter what door you walk in if it says Independents enter here you better run the other way its a red herring. That goes for any of the current "parties". What can I do constructively to make this happen for justice and democracy? Will you assist me as I know there is no way this cannot be resolved.

Thank you honestly for your time any and all thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Do emails like what I have described arise to push my point of a bias going on? Please and thank you Clown Atlas (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)