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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was ambiguous. The vote count at the end of the discussion period was 3 delete, 3 keep (with a possible recommendation to redirect to Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh). The discussion was held open due to an arbitration request at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tran Van Ba.

That discussion has finally concluded. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Admin enforcement requested#Jimmyvanthach, Celindgren, and Tran Van Ba for a synopsis. Based on the results of that decision, I am discounting the invalidated votes. I am also discounting the votes added since the discussion period closed.

I also note that this discussion page was vandalized by anon user:172.143.253.251 who attempted to overwrite this archive with a "see also" comment. Rossami (talk) 01:00, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Phan Lien

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Phan Lien
DELETE This is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. This woman is no more a princess than I am a president. She could not possibly have been made a princess by the Emperor before his gave up his throne, and her throne-pretender husband would not have authority to make her one even if he were a prince, which he clearly is not. This is nonsense. This person is mentioned in no other encyclopedia (even Vietnam specific ones) I can find. There is no basis for her claim to exalted status that I can see. It looks to me like part of a campaign to lend authenticity to a small political party. I vote DELETE

Non notable on her own. Merge into her husband's article. RickK 05:49, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

  • Merge (only a little) and redirect. Geogre 12:55, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • KEEP I am working on enlarging the biography with more information, I am conducting a interview with Princess Phan Lien. Jimmyvanthach 14:37, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: yeah, this may have the potential to grow into a good article. Besides, I think it's a little POV and sexist to redirect to her husband's article, even if she is notable primarily because of him. One thing, Jimmyvanthach: while I applaud your willingness to contribute to the 'pedia, conducting interviews solely for the purpose of writing a Wikipedia article is generally a no-no. See: Wikipedia:No original research. • Benc • 17:30, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • I was not aware of the interview was not allowed---- I will then contact her office and ask for a informational packet concerning her charity work for the children of vietnam to broaden the article and also her work within the Vietnamese community in the United States.Jimmyvanthach 13:54, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Invalid deletion listing: merges do not go through VfD. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy. • Benc • 17:30, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • What!? This is NOT invalid! Have you seen the hundreds of merge/redirect listings on these pages?! RickK 19:06, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
      • First of all, please don't take this as a personal attack. It was not meant as such. The "a little POV and sexist" remark is my rationale for not merging, which I am entitled to. I did not mean to imply that you (or Geogre, or anyone else who votes merge) are in any way sexist. Indeed, I have seen no evidence of sexism, or of anything other than an NPOV from your article-related edits.

        If I gave any offense, I sincerely apologize. I have nothing but respect for you as a Wikipedian dedicated to the upkeep of the encylopedia. Our opinions differ from time to time, but I have no doubt that you have the best interests of the Wikipedia at heart.

        As to why I think this is an invalid listing: the deletion policy is pretty clear that if you think an article should be merged, you should merge it, not list it for VfD. Yes, we see a lot of "merge/redirect" votes here, for articles that likewise shouldn't be listed. When the nominator himself recommends merging (as is the case here), it's even more clear that VfD isn't the right place for the listing. Yes, this article needs attention, and you were right to act on it. But the {{vfd}} tag wasn't right. It should've been either merged, or if you haven't the time for it, add the {{merge}} tag. Best regards, • Benc • 20:16, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete - SimonP 23:21, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Phan Lien is the wife of Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh, who is or claims to be the heir to the throne of Vietnam. Apparently there is some dispute as to the succession, which I do not pretend to understand, but this is dealt with (none too clearly) on Talk:Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh. At any rate, a princess or would-be princess consort is probably notable enough. (And if the article mentioned this, it probably would not be here.) Smerdis of Tlön 18:27, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • KEEP. People are important. Sam [Spade] 23:50, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Person. anthony 警告 19:50, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable person, with all due respect to Anthony. --L33tminion | (talk) 21:16, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, obviously notable. GRider 20:20, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. --[[User:Eequor|ᓛᖁ♀ᑐ]] 05:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • keep Yuckfoo 02:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

no claim to throne

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  • Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh is not claiming the throne of Vietnam, he is providing for the restoration of the monarchy of vietnam, to protect the liberty and right of the vietnamese people and the minority people such as the montagnards and Khmer people. The heir to the throne if the people of Vietnam chose would be up to the Vientamese people to chose Crown Prince Bao Long and the Vietnamese Imperial Family Council is only helping to spread news of support of human rights for the people of Vietnam under the protection of the Nguyen Dynasty. Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh is only working for the opportunity that the People of Vientam can have a chose, besides a one-party system. He wishes a similar government institution that resembles Cambodia and Thailand as a choice for the people of VietnamJimmyvanthach 12:26, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • The arb was decided and I have worked together with everyone to bring a good working community to wikipedia.Jimmyvanthach 23:04, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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