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Goa

I would like to have this page copyedited. I've added all the info, I hope a trained eye can catch any quirks in the grammar before I upgrade it as an FAC.  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 20:25, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

• I've done a quick copyedit - hope it helps. No doubt there are points I've missed, though, jguk 21:18, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I did some too. Things I noticed are needed: 1) Demographics section needs a bit of info on the approximate breakdown of how much of the population follows the various religions. I gather that is one thing that makes Goa distinct from other areas. 2) more referencing of facts and better and more sources. For example, where is the population data in the demographics section from? A footnote in the Wikipedia:Footnote3 style there and many other places would really help in the goals of Wikipedia:Verifiability, something FA's should strive for. 3) The history section is very hard to read and follow if you don't already now what is going on. Something that would help is some more context for places/terms such as Gulbarga, Bijapur, Vijayanagar, etc. Just some quick inline explanation would do a long way. Also the part about the Portuguese is unlcear. Where did they land? In Goa? why was Goa important to them? When it says "By mid-16th century the area under occupation had expanded to most of present day limits", does that mean Goa's limits? and is that the only area the Portuguese occupied? - Taxman 21:49, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the critique and suggestions. The demographics part figures I've obtained from the Manorama Yearbook. I've used the footnote style as you asked for (though I am unhappy with the rendering as a note.). I've also included a few more inline references.Thanks Mozzerati for the style I'll get to work on the History section as you suggested (hopefully complete it by sunday). I've also broken down the religions statistics. (Contrary to popular belief, Christianity is not the largest religion.)  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 20:25, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

The Financial Underpinnings Of The Goa Language Controversy On Wiki En

I have certainly detected some flame-like controversy regarding the status of the Portuguese language in Goa. Some sanguinity is called for. As an involved lifetime resident of Portuguese-speaking Southeast New England, in America, I can safely say that Goa is rich as a city because of its role as the base of trade between South Asia, Portugal, Portuguese-speaking America, Macao and most importantly, Brasil. In other words, Portuguese is in no danger of being replaced by English in Goa. It has a massive economic role. It is almost as if this language controversy is a Fata Morgana insofar as nothing could possibly change the popularity of Portuguese in the Goa area. There is a lot of money involved. Wouldn't you, the average Wiki reader, make a serious attempt to learn Portuguese in order to become an import-export millionaire, working trading Indian goods to Europe and Brazil, if you were a citizen of India? Wouldn't you learn Portuguese to become an employee of such a company? At this point, Brazil has a population of almost 200 million people. To take a facetious tone, that's a lot of curry to sell and a lot of money to be made doing it. It would behoove one not to appear as if one is somehow blocking 'the road to riches,' as it were, here on the Goa pages. Wouldn't the average Anglo become irritated if their access to working in the computer industry, or working in New York City or London, were desubstantiated in the pages of an encylopedia? It really adds up to the same thing. To maintain neutrality one needs to look at the role of the English language in post-colonial Hong Kong to find a parallel to this situation. In particular, one should consider the role of the PRC goverment in its attempts to partially outlaw the use of English in business and in high schools when trying to write articles about Goa. There are obvious similarities between the two situations. There is a huge amount of money to be made in speaking Portuguese in Goa and Macao. Goa in effect functions as a 'funnel' for Indian-made export goods. Its function as 'funnel' extends not only to Brasil, et al, but also to the PRC through its sister city, Macao. The use of Portuguese is of course encouraged by the financial arms of the Indian goverment for this reason. People's jobs depend on it. As India, China, Brazil and the EU are involved in this trade, one could say that half the world's population is affected by Goans. I hope this Talk article can help solve the language controversy currently active in the Goa pages of Wikipedia. To take an obvious neutral perspective, it hurts to see people's livelihoods being effectively callously dismissed by seemingly ignorant Anglocentrics on the pages of the Wiki. I think this perceived callousness and ignorance is the reason for the emotion involved in the extant discussion. 'Portuguese Pride' is central to Portuguese culture and as such it should be a guiding light for anyone attempting to write about the Greater Portuguese community, much as one would normally respect America and the U.K. in writing about those places in places like Dallas Cowboys and The Prince's Trust. If anyone still has a question at this point, just consider the 2005 Per Capita Income of the city. At this level, it just can't be too difficult to understand. Thank you for reading.--McDogm 21:13, May 8, 2005 (UTC)