User talk:Pitchka/Republican Celebrities Page

Brady

In interviews Brady has said he's and independent and has registered either no affiliation or independent everywhere he lived. Going to the SotU address because he was invited doesn't make him a republican, only a celebrity. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/04/60minutes/main1015331_page2.shtml Asked directly he says he's an independent. Does anyone have a cite that says different?Capeo 23:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Here We Go Again!

The liberals are at it again, get rid of anything that shows that all celebrities are not left-wing socialists. The lists of Pro-Life Celebrities was erased by these same people because they did not want this information available on the internet. It should be a secret that Jack Nicholson is pro-life or that Alice Cooper votes Republican.

If this list goes then the list of homosexuals and bi-sexuals should be erased as should many others!

It is funny that no proof is needed to be listed on the homosexual list but if a name is placed on this list good gravy, call out the FBI and start listing sources for each and every name and prove that this person voted as a Republican more than once and if they support a Republican candidate it has to be for this reason or that!

By erasing these relevent lists out for political reasons is pure censorship, but that after all is how Cuba and the Soviet Union worked! Pitchka 02:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

David Lynch

Despite what the anonymous user: 195.92.67.76 says, I think there is enough credible evidence to support filmmaker David Lynch's inclusion in a list of Republican supporters. During the 1980's he had dinner with President Reagan and the First Lady. He spoke openly of his admiration of Ronald Reagan even years later and he also chastized someone for making a joke about Nancy Reagan, cominger to her defence. Just because someone has begun supporting in 2000 another political party, does not mean that they never were a supporter in the 1980's of another one. Pitchka 17:25, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

But just because someone likes a Republican doesn't make them a supporter of that party. Lynch has been quite clear about this on his website and in interviews: he liked Regan personally, he liked the cowboy spirit, but politically he has never supported the Republican Party. He supports the Natural Law Party, raises funds for them and votes for them.

I haven't seen any proof that he never supported the Republican Party. I have only seen proof that since around the 2000 elections he has been supporting the Natural Law Party. Before that time going back to the 1980's the only politician he has been noted as hanging out with and talking about publically was Ronald Reagan! Pitchka 15:21, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

Flawed?

This list is beyond flawed. There are people on this list who almost certainly do not have American citizenship, just about nothing is sourced, I don't know that many (if any) of them have released their voter registration info, and how exactly do we know who these people are voting for? You can't say they "generally" vote Republican unless you're in the booth with them, and since when do members of the Libertarian Party count as Republicans? This whole thing should be deleted and started again from scratch using legitimate sources. Beginning 03:08, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

Let me guess what your political leanings are. First off, many celebrities are on the record as to how they are going to vote. If you believe the list is flawed or there are no sources cited, you can help fix this.

Why do you want it, "deleted and started again from scratch?" Fix the list as is. I've noticed that anytime there is some list that has to do with the politics that concerns republicans or conservative issues, the first thing someone seemingly from the other side wants to do is delete it! I don't go around suggesting that things be censored by deleting things!

Fix it or don't look at it. A lot of work has gone into this list, and I guess anything regarding republicans, conservative issues, or religious issues have citations up the whazoo as compaired to all the rest of the articles, half of which have things that appear to be blatantly made up.

Who are the people who don't have US citizenship? The last James Bond just became an American so he can vote for Kerry! Pitchka 19:42, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

This list is flawed for many reasons. Most importantly, there is a big difference between having supported a Republican candidate at one time and being an actual member of the Party or RNC. For instance, Arnold had the support of quite a few pretty liberal Hollywood actors because he was friends with him, and because he wasn't terribly conservative. Unless people have actively campaigned for the Republicans in general (not just one candidate), or have admitted officially joining the Republican Party, they really don't deserve to be on this list. And people with libertarian views certainly do not belong. They are generally far from the Republicans on many issues, which is precisely why they are not Republicans. This list really needs work. Now off to check the Dem's list (assuming there is one). -R. fiend 23:27, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why Libertarians?

Libertarians have their own political party in the United States, created on the premise that the Repubican Party no longer represents their interests. Why would one put Libertarians on this list then? Two Halves, making something resembling a political point

Name one Libertarian President? There are none. Libertarians have varying views just as Republicans do. However when it comes down to voting many of them support Republican candidates. Look at Tom Selleck, he says he has Libertarian views and yet he has been known in the past to support Republicans.

I don't known what the problem is. Pitchka 21:13, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Jean-Claude Van Damme

Although I have found that Jean-Claude appears to live in California and does seem to have conservative leanings I have been unable to find that he became an American citizen allowing him to vote. Although he may support Republicans if he can't vote he should be removed from the list until it can proved he's a citizen. Pitchka 16:12, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

get rid of this page how do u know if half of these people vote anyway??? im sure jessica simpson wouldnt understand how to fill out the goddamn card.

Hey freak, what's your problem? Do you feel threatened by this page or something? I wouldn't be making fun of Simpson if I were you considering your writing abilities. Stop looking at this page if you are so scared by it. Wierdo. Pitchka 19:05, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

The Journalist List

This list seems the most flawed of all the lists. I do believe that Neil Cavuto is a Republican, but the other two are questionable at best. Anderson Cooper's CNN show hasn't been all that friendly to the Republicans, and Lou Dobbs has been outspoken on issues relating to the President's stance on free trade.

I have no doubt that Lou Dobbs might have a few conservative leanings, but I would have to say he is a liberal, AT LEAST on the issue of trade. As I said, I doubt he belongs on the list, because he quite critical of the President on this issue.

Who gives a shit?

If ever there was a page that an encyclopaedia did not need, this is it. Do you just not know that there is a whole world out there that doesn't care how celebrities vote? What would you guys think of a similar list for Indian celebrities? Among its many, many failings, it can never be exhaustive. You have, what, four journalists? There are thousands of journalists in the US. Are all the rest Democrats? Now, to even this parochial bollocks up, we should have a page titled List of people who don't give a shit about US politics or who votes for whom.Dr Zen 05:11, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Apparently, you do, for why else would you be showing such disdain for this list? Lists or articles I don't care about are not visited by or commented on by me! Pitchka 14:11, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

The debates going on both on the talk page and in the article itself underline the inherent problems with this article. Being a "Republican" is too loosely defined (see my comments above). Labelling someone a Republican because they support the "war on terror" is stupid. Do Republicans have a monopoly on anti-terrorism? Are Democrats pro-terrorist? The war on terror is too loosely defined to be of much use anyway. The war in Iraq is called part of the war on terrorism by Bush, but then again, he gets to define such things. He could invade Mexico and call it part of the war on terror, and when Mexicans rise up to resist the invasion of their country he could consider it justification. If this page is to have any sort of meaning it needs to be clearly defined. If some celebrity says it was right for Bush to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan does that make him "Republican" (keeping in mind there was hardly any resistance to that plan from any side). Yes, some of the people on this list clearly fit the bill, others do not. Let's define "Republican" on strict terms. -R. fiend 06:07, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• • • I have a better idea, why don't you define what a Democrat is for a list of democrat celebrity supporters! I think that outspoken supporters of President Bush regardless of their party affiliations, or former party affiliations, deserve inclusion in this list. I know that people who are opposed to Republicans would rather give the impression that there aren't any or that they are all war mongers or religious nuts or what have you and don't want people like Ron Silver, who campaigned for Bush even though he had been a well known Democrat, on this list but he is a valid supporter and I would assume voter of George W.! Pitchka 18:06, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

• • • • I think that's the central problem -- encyclopedias don't assume to know someone's voting behavior. In any case, this is not a List of celebrities who support the re-election of Bush in the 2004 Presidental election. If you want to make such a list, I won't stop you (though I would vote to delete it). Tuf-Kat 18:44, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

• • • • Tuf-Kat has it right. This list isn't called "Celebrities who support Bush", it's a list of "Republicans", which means they are registered as Republicans. If you can't confirm someone's status they have no reason being on this list. Just yesterday I saw Robert Kennedy Jr. speak highly of Governor Schwarzenegger, I guess he belongs on this list by your logic. What about Zell Miller? He's technically a Democrat (though he bears no resemblance to one) but a supporter of W. And yes, I could start a similar list of "Democrats" but it would be just as flawed as this. My point is a don't get to define what a Democrat is. It's been defined already! Likewise you don't get to define Republican. Your opinions and "assumptions" about how people vote or how they are registered are not facts that belong in an encyclopedia. So why not move this article to the title Tuf-Kat suggested? Or at least try getting a little less defensive about this stupid "article". -R. fiend 18:18, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Denzel Washington

The star of John Q and the new Manchurian Candidate, two films that promote ideas to the left of the Democrats, is a Republican?

He's indicated in interviews that he views some of his films as being more populist than left-oriented. MisfitToys 00:22, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Trey Parker and Matt Stone

Parker and Stone have been removed from this list twice now. But they are, in fact, and unlike most of the names left untouched, declared Republicans.

"The audience at the liberal activist group People for the American Way's annual fund-raising and awards dinner in Beverly Hills on Tuesday night got a couple of surprises. One award went to the veteran rock singer Neil Young who proceeded to say he supported the tough measures the Justice Department has taken in its anti-terror campaign. Another award went to Matt Stone and Trey Parker, creators of the bawdy cartoon series South Park, who announced that they were Republicans. "It's true," said Parker, who was wearing a stars and stripes outfit." Fox News Report from Brit Hume.

Good enough?

Erm, no. They said that as a joke. They were at a left-wing awards show and they were winding people up. More seriously they announced that Norman Lear was their hero - not likely for Republicans. Parker is a registered Libertarian. They both hate conservatives [1] and George W. Bush [2]. Michael Moore also once claimed to be a Republican. Shall we had him to the list?

Response:

• Read the criteria for the list: it can include Libertarians. As you've shown, Parker, at least, is a Libertarian, and can be included on this list for that reason alone. I think you'll agree that his creative partner is almost certainly of the same persuasion.

  It says the list includes Libertarians who normally support Republicans and there is no sign these two ever support Republicans.

• They consistently emphasise right-ended political positions in their work, and skewer left-ended ones. Now, here's your opportunity to keep it going in circles. Tell me how "Republican" doesn't necessarily mean "right wing", so those with "right wing" opinions may just as well be "Democrats" who might be "liberal Libertarians" but not "Republicans" because Libertarian doesn not = Republican...

You're absolutely right. Don't concede an inch on anything, and eventually I'll go just go away. Victory will be yours!

• Parker's and Stone's creations, South Park and Team America, have articulated a section of Republican opinion so well, that South Park Republican has become a political term, akin to "soccer mom" or "nascar dad". Clearly, many Republicans identify with their take on events.

  Just as many Democrats like it. The point of the South Park Republicans thing is that there are now some young Republicans who do not fit the traditional model of the Republican Party and so like things which traditional Republicans would hate like South Park, not that South Park is somehow Republicans only. Going on personal experience every Dem I know loves South Park but most of the Republicans I know hate it.

• Yeah, but you're trying to divorce the phenomenon of "South Park Republicans" entirely from the show itself. That's nonsense. The show clearly has an anti-PC/Liberal approach that is refreshing for Republicans that can stand the language and crudeness of the show. And as it skewers PC-liberalism the show also ends up articulating the opposite, Republican-right, point of view. Young, "non-tradtional" Republicans like the show, because in addition to it being extremely funny, it also often reflects the beliefs they hold as Republicans.

Trey: We avoid extremes but we hate liberals more than conservatives and we hate them. Matt: I hate conservatives but I really fucking hate liberals.

And in World Police they wipe out a whole cadre of the most outspoken Hollywood Liberals. Is the point of this list to list only registered, life-long Republicans, or is it to show that not all celebrities are whacked out ultra-liberals, more concerned about sounding hip, and being invited to the right PC parties, than actually using even plain common sense?

• Parker and Stone are more left-wing on many issues than most Hollywood celebrities. In their interviews they have made it clear that Team America is not ciriticising those opinions but the arrogance of Hollywood celebrities who voice them. And how do you square That's My Bush? Usually if someone hates both Liberals and Cconservatives they are a Ssocialist.

Now your stretching it. So, Parker and Stone are now not even Libertarians, but Socialists?

The point is that if you hate both Conservatives and Liberals you could be a Libertarian or a Socialist or a Green but you are not likely to be a Republican or a Democrat.

As for "That's My Bush!", it was about as hateful towards George Bush as Darrell Hammond's impressions of Bill Clinton is toward Bill Clinton.

Geez, have you even seen the movie? The left wing celebrities are more than just arrogant blowhards, they outright join the forces of evil. Remember, the "moral" of that movie was the whole dick, pussy, asshole, bit... an sometimes the "pussies" (lefty actors) get so full of shit they become "assholes" (terrorists) themselves! Oh, but that's not a criticism, that's supportive of helping terrorists with your words!

• The article does not imply they were joking. Neil Young, in the article, is not shown to be joking, when expressing a Republican type idea. They were given this award, by PFAW, not for being liberals but for being free speech advocates. The article states it was a surprising statement when they said they were Republicans. If they were making light of the situation, the joke is "you liberals just gave a free speech award to guys who you'd probably consider to be Republican-Nazi! How about that for irony?" etc.

  The article is from Fox so it isn't likely to recognise irony and it certainly would not want to. That Fox found it surprising tells you that they don't seem like Republicans except to people who don't know what the Republicans really stand for. I'm going by how they said it. They were joking.

I suppose you were there, to hear "how they said it"? The plain English of the article reads that they stated that they were Republicans. I can't decipher your second sentence. Are you saying that someone from Fox isn't capable of detecting irony, or if someone is a Republican? You also ignored the Neil Young statement. So, was he also joking? Perhaps doing a skit mocking Republicans and the "War on Terror" with Trey and Matt?

• Parker and Stone meet the criteria for being on this list, by both being Libertarians and also for actually expressing Republican leaning ideas openly in their work. This is more than can be said for most of the names on this list, which includes life-long Democrats, "9/11" liberals, or those that have only said or done something that can be taken to be non-liberal.

I don't think it's right to wipe their names off completely when other, less qualified names are left up untouched, or are left up with a side note.

• If there are even less qualified names they should not be on here either. Take them off.

I consider the list, based on the stated qualifications at the top, to be pretty broadly defined. It's others who want to cull the list based on their own limited definitions. I'm following the criteria. If others want to play by their own rules, they should at least be consistent about it, and not "cherry pick" off certain pet names. The burden is on them to slash and burn the list, not on me.

• Which is what I propose should be done. Put their names up but with an addendum stating Libertarian. I think this would be fair and accurate. How about it?

  If they go in this page at all they would need to be in a seperate section maybe of celebrities who are "claimed" by some Republicans but are not themselves Republican supporters.

  • This just again illustrates the stupidity of this list. It is called "List of Republican celebrities", and only Republicans should be on it. It is not "List of Republican-leaning celebrities", or any such thing. Libertarians are NOT Republicans. Move the list to a more appropriate title if you want it to be more all encompassing. Republican has a definition; look it up. -R. fiend 19:12, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Agreed. It does not matter who leans conservative in this way or that, or who they support for president or even whether they like conservatives or liberals more. If this is to be a list of Republican celebrities, then it must be just that, not a list of Republicanoids. As far as Libertarians being "Republican", I personally know three, all of whom have previously been loyally voting for the Libertarian candidate but voted for Kerry this time. At least two would surely identify themself as more Democrat than Republican, though they would be insulted to find themselves on a list of either. You can't just declare that Libertarians are the same as Republicans, or that Bush supporters or anyone else are Republicans. Unless they actually self-identify as Republicans, they shouldn't be on this list. Tuf-Kat 02:05, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

TUF-KAT, R. fiend, etc.: Well, then your problem is with the whole damn list then, not with how Parker and Stone fit on a list you don't particularly like in the first place.

So, why bother putting up such a fight about these two particular names? Leave the list alone if you don't like it, or start another list that you do like, or change the criteria of this list so it states Republicans only! Whatever.

But as it stands, as written, both Parker and Stone clearly qualify for this list. The criteria for the list includes Libertarians. Parker and Stone are Libertarians. Nuff said. That should be enough, no matter if you personally feel Libertarian does not = Republican.

The cirteria for the list includes people who are Libertarians but generally support Republicans. It is clear that Parker and Stone do not generally support Republicans therefore they do not belong on the list.

I'm going to put their names back up, with a qualifier that they are probably Libertarians. Take them down if you wish. I no longer care. If this is typical of what goes on with "Wikipedia", then Wikipedia is unadulterated garbage. Nice going guys.

• Yes, my problem IS with the whole damn list then, as I've said numerous times. I generally don't give a shit about the Parker and Stone controversy; it's one small aspect of a glaring problem with this list. Perhaps I should write a List of Democratic celebrities and then say "This list includes people who vote Democrat, as well as their friends and peers, and a few people on the Right-to-Life ticket, as well as Republicans who ever worked with any Democrat." Obviously that would not be a "List of Democratic celebrities" as the title suggests. Such a list would be as asinine as this one. Fortunately, I don't believe that one bad article deserves another to counter it. Why don't I just move the article to a title which might actually apply to this list. If you no longer care you won't have a problem with it. Inaccuracy like this makes Wikipedia unadulterated garbage. Nice going. -R. fiend 14:43, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

John Rhys-Davies

JRD does spend half his time in LA, but apparently is not a US citizen. But he is very strongly conservative and is definitely a Republican supporter.

He also regularly heaps praise on President George W. Bush and his war on terror, including the invasion of Iraq. "There are at least four or five [officials in the Bush administration] who could hold their own against the Founding Fathers," he says. This is blasphemous speech in Europe and Hollywood alike.

Andrew Leigh on John Rhys-Davies

Removal of names.

Since it is fashionable for people to remove names from this list and many are Anons, and many of the names removed should not have been, it is time for people to start giving sources for why these people are being removed.

If someone removes a name without solid sources, I am personally going to reinstate them. Have a nice day! Pitchka 16:59, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Emma Caulfield Source?

It's great seeing people add names and information to this list. I would like to know the source of Emma Caufield voting for John Kerry.

I'm npot saying she didn't say she did, I'd just like the source. Pitchka 18:59, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

Costner, others

Kevin Costner was a registered Republican up until Clinton became President, then he switched to independent and has supported the Democrats at the last three Presidential elections, so I've removed him. (Perhaps we should have an "ex-Republicans" section?) See: [3], [4].

Also, could someone provide sources for the following, as they have all said or done things, or made career choices, that seem to me to make it unlikely that they are Republicans:

• Joan Allen
• James Earl Jones
• Denzel Washington
• Vincent Gallo

Also, I'm not sure about Gary Oldman. I know he criticised 'The Contender' for being pro-Democrat, but again he's a track-record of picking leftist films, and he dropped out of 'Star Wars' because it was using non-union actors (to be replaced by John Rhys-Davis). Also, is he a US citizen?

I'm quite sure Gallo is enough of a Republican to count as far is the slightly flawed criteria for this list goes, but I am unsure of the others. -R. fiend 20:54, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Oh yeah. Assuming it's not all post-modern ironic, Gallo's definitely a Republican. See this, this, [www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/694827/posts this] and this. I love that one of the Freepers has welcomed Gallo's Republicanism as a sign that the left is morally bankrupt.

James Earl Jones vocally supported the Iraq war, but he is also on record as saying his political beliefs are a private affair, so I don't know whether he would count as a Republican. After all, many Democrats like Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman supported the Iraq war too.

Page title

Shouldn't this page be called something like Celebrities who espouse views similar to the United States Replican Party, c. 2004? Would Abraham Lincoln fit in this list? Would José Giral? Gdr 22:15, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

Jennifer Love Hewitt

Hi there. I was wondering if you have a citable for source for Jennifer Love Hewitt being a republican. I need it for something I'm working on.--68.184.81.196 20:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I no longer have the sources that I used to create this list because I lost them when my computer crashed. Doing a recent search however shows that she aong with known Republican supporter the actress Bo Derek have visited the U.S. troops. This alone does not provide the proof, however, it's all I can now locate. Dwain 20:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Mike Judge

I'd like to have Mike Judge's name removed or some verification. If someone could supply a quote here, or just the source of the information it'd be great. I'd also like some verification for Adam Sandler and Norm MacDonald.

Tiger Woods

Do you have any proof that Woods is a republican?