Talk:A Day at the Races (album)

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Album box

The album box is just completely wrong Secretlondon 14:37, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Two Singles sections?

This entire article was a list of lists and charts and boxes. I have tried to make some of it into text. I do not think I have lost any vital information. I have tried to make UK and US releases distinct. Telsa 11:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I marked that section as POV

It sounds like a review. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheDavesr (talk • contribs) 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I only saw one sentence in that section that was blatantly POV, and it looks like that has been removed since the template was added. This is not to say that this section is written well, and it could certainly use more references. But I think it's safe to remove the POV tag for now. -- H·G (^words/_works) 06:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I looked over the section, and it's solidly NPOV now -- just totally uncited. Have retagged appropriately. -- Kaosfere 05:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Album name

Is the name a reference to the Marx Brothers movie? I know the album before this was called A Night at the Opera, which is also a Marx Brothers movie. Does anyone have definite evidence?P.L.A.R. 01:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the fact that not one, but two albums are named after Marx films kind of speaks for itself. —♦♦ SʘʘTHING^(Я) 05:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes,they were watching the films while making the albums,so they named them after the films

Damir Okanović Dule (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Queen songs with verses in a language other than English

The article says that Teo Torriatte "is one of only two Queen songs (the other "Mustapha", from the album Jazz) in which an entire verse is sung in a language other than English". I recall at least another song, "Las palabras de amor", from the album Hot Space, which has two verses sung in Spanish (that, of course, if we understand "verse" as a line of metrical text). Infrasonik 02:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You take my breath away

According to this it is 5:07 not 3:43 minutes long. My own version of the record has the long version. Is this an error? Drutt (talk) 11:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My CD also has the 5:07 length, thus i believe the 3:43 must be an error, or perhaps a single mix? Laker Eight (talk) 12:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The original EMI CDs from the late 80s mistakenly put the end of "You Take My Breath Away" onto the start of "Long Away" (i.e. the massed tape loop overdubs of Freddie murmuring the title of the song in harmony...)--feline1 (talk) 12:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the length to 5:09 Laker Eight (talk) 08:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You and I

Currently, the description for You And I mentions a dark tone and a heavy guitar riff, however to me its always seemed a very upbeat song, with fairly light guitaring. What do others think about this particular piece of description?

Laker Eight (talk) 12:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's bollocks :) --feline1 (talk) 12:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'ved removed the offending section, if anyone has a version of You and I with a heavy metal riff then feel free to edit it back... Laker Eight (talk) 08:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The part they are referring to is the one in which the line is sung, "Oooh you know I never could forsee the future years..." which is pretty heavy and dark, in my opinion. It is only a momentary diversion from the otherwise upbeat and romantic song, so it could be missed by the casual listener. 65.248.164.214 (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews

Do we really need the George Starostin review ? I mean, there are plenty of other reviews by professional reviewers whose reviews are actually published by reputable magazines and websites. On top of that, his reviews were written with the benefit of hindsight, which makes them far less interesting, because they don't exemplify the critical response at the time the record was released. Just because his reviews are long-winded and often disagree with popular opinion doesn't make them any more interesting than those of the next person with a website. Also, his scoring system goes up to 15, so showing the score here as "9 stars out of 10" is misleading. 84.198.246.199 (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Only gold in USA

Hi,

the article on the album from the official website says the album had only gold status in the USA. The Wikipedia article tells it subsequently won platinum status. Where does this information come from? --Лорд Бъмбъри (talk) 09:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Millionaire Waltz

Hi, I deleted the reference to "Niech Żyje Bal (Long Live the Party)" as it was unrelated to the said song. Thanks Lynisganda01 (talk) 23:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)Lyn[reply]

Genre

The genre reads "music hall" in the infobox, however the Washington Post review in its references says that it mixes "heavy rock" and "opera". Is that not symphonic rock (rock that blends elements of classical music)? Also, the album review by Rolling Stone has a section where it mentions Queen imitating the symphony; is that not another source that cites it as symphonic rock?UndoubtedlyMe (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don`t understand why was pop genre added to this album and "A Night At The Opera". All the same, the source says that the genre of the album is pop in the sense that it is more a mass product, not in terms of the musical component. Alex katsenelson (talk) 00:11, 07 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's always been my belief that A Day at the Races is a symphonic rock album, but I've never had the references to back it up. Does this reference | here classify it as symphomic rock? It does state that "The group began to show the breadth of its musical vision and perfect its style of symphonic rock with "A Night at the Opera" -- which featured the studio masterpiece "Bohemian Rhapsody" -- and "A Day at the Races." — Preceding unsigned comment added by UndoubtedlyMe (talk • contribs) 09:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the source clearly states Races is symphonic rock.41.148.69.115 (talk) 11:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jimdero.com is not a reliable source. Binksternet (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. This is hardly a reliable source. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jimdero.com is used a source in the Reception section, which is why I figured it was reliable. If it is unreliable then it must be deleted from the article. - UndoubtedlyMe (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Jimdero.com is used a reference in various articles, such as [1] and the reception section of "A Day at the Races". Therefore, it is a reliable source and can be used in the article. - UndoubtedlyMe (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

122.148.210.191 (talk) 05:23, 11 August 2020 (UTC)Hey guys. In the genres section, I would like to add progressive rock as a genre, but some people are opposed to it, so I have come here for a consensus. Although symphonic rock is listed as a genre, which redirects to progressive rock, I think both should be listed. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but traditionally, progressive rock was seen as fusing american rock and roll with European classical music techniques, which this album does with pretty much every single song except Tie your mother down and drowse. Additionally, many articles on the web (though none cited in reception) section call the album prog or art rock.[reply]

Oppose. Am I missing something? The last source supplied only talks of "progressive drums". IMHO, it doesn't sound much like prog rock. Doctorhawkes (talk) 08:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you mean by am I missing something but you must have to be really deep into prog to not consider millionaire waltz and you take my breath away to be prog then you are definetly missing something. The source says the word progressive only 2 or 3 times but uses more natural words like avant garde or obscure its also definetly not the only editorial source that says its prog, just the one i found first — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.210.191 (talk) 11:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Album genres come from WP:Reliable sources talking about the overall genre of the album. Album genres do not come from various song genres added together. Binksternet (talk) 13:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is "obscure" a synonym for prog rock? That's just silly. Doctorhawkes (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(replying to binksternet) Then how is the album hard rock if it has you take my breath away and long away? I know the conversation is about sources, but i believe the whole album has prog sprinkled throughout it. Tie your mother down has that procession style fanfare at the start, somebody to love just will not end and so on. Back to sources. That source I listed and many more talk about the whole album as progressive which I think constitutes as a reliable source.

(replying to Doctorhawkes) I know obscure isnt a direct synonym but if you read the rolling stone article of day at the races it says art rock so many times it jarring to read. Its good to use words that pretty much mean the same.

would you guys agree to merging symphonic with progressive saying symphonic/progressive rock or symphonic(progressive) rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.210.191 (talk) 23:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want something to happen you need leverage. Your leverage will come from a WP:SECONDARY source that you can cite, one that says the album is whatever genre. Otherwise, you are sharing your opinion which is not how we do it on Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 00:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

122.148.210.191 (talk) 06:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)I did that but you called it an outlier opinion. Do you want more than one source? Not saying sources are not required but this is the only album page I've seen where the genres are cited.[reply]

122.148.210.191 (talk) 12:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)The only reason I care is because lots of my friends said queen stopped being creative after opera and they cite this Wikipedia article or something similar. A couple even say that Queen got greedy after seeing what money was like post opera. That's why I just want it to say something like symphonic prog. Nothing to do with sources but just sharing my personal view. I don't want other people thinking this because its very dangerous.[reply]